Star Trek Discovery

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny, I love the mirror universe concept.

But when I watched it.

TOS - Mirror Universe was still a military state. So there was a chain of command. Sure you could climb the ladder by murdering your commander, but at least it made sense, in that you're killing someone for cowardice or not obeying orders. Or someone that's trying to betray you. But it was an empire.

Enterprise - I loved the Dark Mirror two parter episode. For the most part it was an empire, it was still a military chain of command. Obedience was expected. Archer though was ambitious and insane.

DS9 - The Empire was gone, over thrown by its former enemies and slaves. So there was no empire, and the Federation rebels were brutal.. But the alliance that replaced them was more brutal then the Empire, mostly out of ideals of both revenge, and ensuring that Terrans never rose again.

Discovery - Everyone is pretty much corrupt and on the take. They were more pirates then Military. Everyone was over the top evil for evils sake. For the most part they were also simply stupid. It was two dimensional, disconnected from the other mirror universes, They tried to make George interesting in that she couldn't function in the mirror universe after being exposed to the good universe. I actually really disliked the first seasons Mirror arch because everyone from Lorca to the Empress just acted stupidly. Look at Lorca for the greatest moronic death I've ever seen.

The writers in this show, are just so frikken ham fisted, they overly rely on Michael as the ultimate fix it, no one else really matters. They tried with Tilly but she was such a moron over the last couple of episodes that I was hoping she would be the noble sacrifice.

"Hey we're low on oxygen, let me do a 10 minute speech about how much I love ya'll"

"Oh Michael I know I'm in command, but I'm so weak and inexperienced that you would be awesome in command so here's the keys to the ship"

If I was the Captain, here's my introduction of the crew

Here's my overly ambitious lack of judgement officer Michael. Here's my engineer who acts snippy but has a heart of gold. Here's Saru, Oh wait he's gone home. Oh and the rest of my crew, lawn chair, coffee table and bar stool.

[Puppet Guy]

This week I finally sat down and watched Discovery (I'm like the only person in the world who doesn't stream), and can only describe it as "Star Trek written by people who have never watched Star Trek". Granted it was only season 2 I've watched (found a cheap DVD), but I honestly can't think of any reason to watch seasons 1 or 3.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think the guys from Red Letter Media said it best. Star Trek Discovery is what happens when the Jocks take over Science Fiction from the Nerds.


The think that they pointed out that I didn't notice before, but explains the mess in terms of writing and the shoulder patting during episodes "Science B$$$$" or "Math B44444" with self congratulatory high fives, is when you watch the season two opening credits, there are over 20 producers named. It explains why the writing is all over the place, and things aren't connected.

[zamler]

Watch any video of Alex Kurtzman talking about 'Trek and you'll instantly understand the state of things.

[timun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If I was the Captain, here's my introduction of the crew

Here's my overly ambitious lack of judgement officer Michael. Here's my engineer who acts snippy but has a heart of gold. Here's Saru, Oh wait he's gone home. Oh and the rest of my crew, lawn chair, coffee table and bar stool.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

This week I finally sat down and watched Discovery (I'm like the only person in the world who doesn't stream), and can only describe it as "Star Trek written by people who have never watched Star Trek". Granted it was only season 2 I've watched (found a cheap DVD), but I honestly can't think of any reason to watch seasons 1 or 3.

I am in the middle of season 3 right now, and I keep finding myself staring at the TV, asking "what is the ####ing point of all this?" far too often.

Determined to finish, but I doubt I will be at all satisfied.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Determined to finish, but I doubt I will be at all satisfied.

Spoiler!

You won't be.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Gave up after season 1 and I keep tabs on this thread to see if there's any point to pick it back up again. I'm thankful to those that suffer through it advising others to steer clear

[CaptainCrunch]

If you watch it as a badly executed version of the Orville, it almost works as a parody of Star Trek.


Throw in your own laugh track and a 24 of whiskey. I watch it partially because its Trek and I hope it gets better. But also because its such a train wreck that at times its hilarious.

[Hack&Lube]

In Season 2, they tried to make you care about that nameless crewmember that was half-robot but in the end you didn't since you had no idea who that crew member was.

How can a Star Trek show have a crew where they are completely interchangable and lifeless with no backstory or likeability at all? I have no idea who the rest of the bridge crew are aside from Michael and Saru and Tilly. The only reason Tilly stands out is the writers keep giving her "sass" which is totally unbecoming of a Star Fleet officer.

Discovery annoys me to watch it because nobody acts like an officer. They spend half the time arguing for dramatics on the bridge. Arguments like that don't fly in the office much less in space.

[CaptainCrunch]

The Robot storyline was outright dumb. the Detmer story line was literally the laziest piece of character righting ever and made me stop caring for her.

Sure they gave Tilley Sass, but in the last couple of officers they made her the dumbest character on the show. first with the 5 minute I love you speech in limited oxygen. then her proclaiming Burham awesome and handing over her command to Michael during a freaking battle followed by a 5 minute hug me team building meeting while the Discovery is taking fire.

The writing on the show is slipshod, they plant seeds and build towards things and completely forget it. They throw phony science into play to solve every issue and then do massive shoulder patting and high fives all around as if they're congratulating the writers.

The show started well last year, and I was fairly complimentary towards it then the episode happened with the land based jelly fish, which ended up with psychic animal control powers. Then the burn because utterly ridiculous, the villian once again blew out her brain cells and we had the elevator core of the ship.

Half the time, the writing is just actually comedy levels of bad. The writers are lazy, the people that replaced them are just lost. There's an over worship in terms of Burham and it really makes the show ridiculous. The rest of the crew just stands around now and pretty much collects paychecks. Look at them hinting at Stamets rage at Brunham, then it was pretty much forgotten about.

It sounds like Netflix wants to get rid of the show, so the show is in jeopardy right now due to funding. I expect it to come back with a much lower budget number next year if it comes back.

I don't know if I'm going to watch it with Michael in command. Green is a horrible actor, when she was trying to play evil it was so over the top and terrible that I thought I was watching a porn actress. Unlike previous Star Trek series where they built a strong ensemble cast, gave them personalities and interesting stories, this is the Michael show, even Saru got pushed off to the side last year, and is too good of an actor to be on the show.

I guess at this point I watch it for the memes, and maybe in the hopes that they'll stumble onto something good. I however expect that they'll bring back the Klingons as the primary villains next year.

[Hack&Lube]

The only good thing that came out Discovery was Pike and the Enterprise but I don't know if Strange New Worlds will be any good due to it also being a Kurtzman show.

[CaptainCrunch]

Pike was great because the actor could overcome the bad script choices, and make Michael look half good. Its sad that the best Trek out there right now is a cartoon comedy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The only good thing that came out Discovery was Pike and the Enterprise but I don't know if Strange New Worlds will be any good due to it also being a Kurtzman show.

Ugh. Why do they give stuff to Kurtzman? He has no idea what Star Trek is. Is there really no one else they can find? Into Darkness was absolute trash, I know some people liked it, but it was a predecessor to Discovery's utter nonsense.

[CaptainCrunch]

He's a human version of hypno toad?

[Enoch Root]

Just finished season 3. There was so much bad, I don't even know where to start.

One kid caused the Burn

One woman not only saved the galaxy, but was clearly the only important person in it

An emotionally unstable, 20-something ensign was made captain - and then just gave the command away during a crisis

One Admiral, with his one security officer, was the entire Starfleet

One green woman first took over the Discovery, then took over Starfleet

One lone scientist can fly the Spore Drive - but wait! one other dude can too!

That season was one complete and utter waste of time

Oh, after three seasons and two universes of character development, Phillipa was simply written out of the plot in the most bizarre and useless way possible - after a complete character transformation that flew in the face of everything her character was for the past two seasons.

Yeah, thanks for all that

[Inglewood Jack]

well...at least they didn't break existing canon this season. the whole thing will stay in its own little test tube without sharting all over the Kirk era.

Picard on the other hand, will continue to have plenty of opportunities to wreck TNG/DS9/VOY characters and continuity.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just finished season 3. There was so much bad, I don't even know where to start.

One kid caused the Burn

One woman not only saved the galaxy, but was clearly the only important person in it

An emotionally unstable, 20-something ensign was made captain - and then just gave the command away during a crisis

One Admiral, with his one security officer, was the entire Starfleet

One green woman first took over the Discovery, then took over Starfleet

One lone scientist can fly the Spore Drive - but wait! one other dude can too!

That season was one complete and utter waste of time

Oh, after three seasons and two universes of character development, Phillipa was simply written out of the plot in the most bizarre and useless way possible - after a complete character transformation that flew in the face of everything her character was for the past two seasons.

Yeah, thanks for all that

Don't forget that they sat around after she left and saluted the Kelpian eating (sp?) genocidal, murdering Empress as "Bad A$$" that alone was cringe worthy to me.



So what if she ate slaves, wiped out planets and murdered people, man she had snappy biting comebacks.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

well...at least they didn't break existing canon this season. the whole thing will stay in its own little test tube without sharting all over the Kirk era.

Picard on the other hand, will continue to have plenty of opportunities to wreck TNG/DS9/VOY characters and continuity.

Time travel is a thing right. So Discovery will find the path back home, over shoot by 10 years, and Burnham will become the head of Star Fleet, she'll give Tilly command of the Enteprise, and Jame T Kirk will be sent back to Star Fleet for remedial training.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

An emotionally unstable, 20-something ensign was made captain - and then just gave the command away during a crisis

Have they established how old Tilly is?


I originally agreed that I thought she was supposed to be young and right out of the academy. However, SMG and Mary Wise are the same age in real life.


If I see them as the same age while on the ship it sort of eases the hatred I have for their relationship. I doesn't go away but it's an excuse my brain can work around