02-25-2021, 09:51 AM
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See I had heard something involving Drummond, but that it would be a 3 team deal since the Cavs have no use for Lowry. I guess that could still be the case. That would make sense for the Raptors in terms of being at least a good team, if not a contender.
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02-25-2021, 10:32 AM
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I believe in the Jays.
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I’d be happy for Lowry to get a move like this, and it makes a ton of sense for our future, but it will really suck to not have a proper send off for him with fans in the building.
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02-25-2021, 10:46 AM
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#244
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Truculent!
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That's the right move for Kyle. But devastating as a fan. Wish he coulda retired a Raptor!
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02-25-2021, 01:44 PM
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#245
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Maybe he can come back as an Assistant Coach
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02-25-2021, 02:05 PM
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Maybe he can come back as an Assistant Coach
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No thanks. His whining on the court puts Gretzky to shame. Every god damn call.
Thanx for the ship though.
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02-25-2021, 02:10 PM
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#247
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Seems pretty anticlimactic as a send off but what can you do in covid? I wasn’t a fan of his until the championship season where he seemed to put it together maturity wise. Yes he complained, but he didn’t let it throw him off after that season. If he had that his full career he’d be a HOF level player. It’s too bad but I’m sure as a player he’d prefer to go out this way. I’m sure the fans will make cheer when he’s back.
As for the deal, has anyone read who’d be coming back the other way? I’d think something close to a kings ransom as the Sixers would be itching to get him. I’m lost what would work cap wise though.
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02-25-2021, 02:51 PM
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Truculent!
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No thanks. His whining on the court puts Gretzky to shame. Every god damn call.
Thanx for the ship though.
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Kyle Lowry is probably one of the most decorated players currently in the game that recieves the least respect from Referees.
I would probably complain if I was him as well.
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02-25-2021, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fleury
Seems pretty anticlimactic as a send off but what can you do in covid? I wasn’t a fan of his until the championship season where he seemed to put it together maturity wise. Yes he complained, but he didn’t let it throw him off after that season. If he had that his full career he’d be a HOF level player. It’s too bad but I’m sure as a player he’d prefer to go out this way. I’m sure the fans will make cheer when he’s back.
As for the deal, has anyone read who’d be coming back the other way? I’d think something close to a kings ransom as the Sixers would be itching to get him. I’m lost what would work cap wise though.
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Will be interest when Lowry is eligible for the HOF
Lots of good articles and debates out there, but this is a decent summary
https://www.sportscasting.com/kyle-l...u-might-think/
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02-25-2021, 05:13 PM
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Well, they ARE still playing shorthanded most nights. They can't compete with any team at the 5
Baynes was a huge swing and miss. He should be a 12 min a night bench player. Boucher is awesome, but again, he can't compete with a mobile strong 5 and it really shows.
The team has to play balls to the wall to beat any complete team and some times the percentages arent going to go in their favour.
They can't keep starting every game on the PK simply because management is handcuffing them.
Either #### or get off the pot and get a legit center.
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Almost couldn't tell if you were talking about the Raptors or the Flames there. 
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02-25-2021, 05:26 PM
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I believe in the Jays.
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Lowry is the greatest Raptor in history.
Not sure what complaining has to do with anything, the guy is a legend and is a borderline HOF candidate. Tons of NBA stars complain, basically every single play Lebron has his hands up wondering where the call is, Embiid too, same with Harden, Kyrie too, MJ as well. It's pretty typical.
The guy also helped to bring an NBA championship to Toronto, that is incredible.
I loved watching him play as a Raptor, he can come back to TO in any capacity as far as
I'm concerned.
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02-25-2021, 07:52 PM
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I can’t believe Lowry would be a candidate for the HOF. I know this isn’t baseball standards but even by basketball standards that seems low. I’d just say this. Basketball is a sport where one guy can carry the team more or less single handedly. In any season did Lowry truly do that? I don’t think so. He was the lone spark at times but I don’t think he really put the team on his back especially early in his tenure. Again, I really like the guy the past few seasons but it took a long time to get there. Not a HOFer.
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02-25-2021, 10:03 PM
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Fair enough. I don't think he's at the top of everyone's HOF list as he doesn't have that typical name recognition.
But just doing a quick little dive here are a few numbers (also remember he is not at the end of his career and is still putting up good numbers).
Right now he is 40th all time in assists, by the end of the season he will be probably around 36th. One more season he will be around top 30, maybe around Jerry West's total.
He is tied for 32nd in career triple doubles with 17, if by the end of his career he gets 4 more he will be tied with Kobe and Kareem for 23rd overall.
Advanced stats like Career Win Shares has him at 96th overall, grouped with players like Vlade Divac, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Lenny Wilkens and Grant Hill. All HOFers.
Like I said, I think he is borderline.
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02-26-2021, 08:27 AM
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Fair enough. I don't think he's at the top of everyone's HOF list as he doesn't have that typical name recognition.
But just doing a quick little dive here are a few numbers (also remember he is not at the end of his career and is still putting up good numbers).
Right now he is 40th all time in assists, by the end of the season he will be probably around 36th. One more season he will be around top 30, maybe around Jerry West's total.
He is tied for 32nd in career triple doubles with 17, if by the end of his career he gets 4 more he will be tied with Kobe and Kareem for 23rd overall.
Advanced stats like Career Win Shares has him at 96th overall, grouped with players like Vlade Divac, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Lenny Wilkens and Grant Hill. All HOFers.
Like I said, I think he is borderline.
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The thing is, all the above numbers plus a championship shows it not borderline, its a sure thing. Advanced stats also really support how good Lowry is/has been, and the new generation loves advanced stats.
By almost any statistical measure he is a top 100 player of all time. And he has a few years left. By the end of his career I think he is a sure fire HOF. Maybe not first ballet, but he will be there.
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02-26-2021, 08:40 AM
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Lowry will be a HOFer I think, if he adds another ring in Philly or wherever then it'll be a no doubter. But his resume is pretty strong overall, even in the strongest era of PGs ever he still managed to be consistently in the top five or so for a five year period.
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02-26-2021, 12:10 PM
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#256
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I think this is going to go right down to the trade deadline and I'm not looking forward to a full month of Lowry rumours.
That said, I imagine that Lowry's preference is firstly to stay with the Raptors and get resigned in the offseason, or secondly get traded to Philly and get resigned there in the offseason. He might go as far as telling Masai, either plan on bringing him back on a fair contract, or trade him to Philly now. And Masai and Webster might want to wait until closer to the deadline to try and get a long-term read on the team. Maybe they want to get more of a read on whether a FVV+Powell+Anunoby+Siakam core is good enough going forward, in which case a trade for a C makes a lot of sense.
The thing he wants to avoid is going into the offseason with the Raptors still holding his bird rights and not planning on bringing him back (or his bird-rights traded to a team he doesn't want to play for).
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02-26-2021, 04:21 PM
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#258
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Siakam out too.
Sergio Scarlioni is in as coach (as long as another team doesn't poach him before game-time), he was quarantining after returning from coaching the Spanish national team.
Gonna be a weird one.
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02-28-2021, 10:17 AM
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#259
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NBA postpones Sunday’s Raptors-Bulls game due to positive COVID-19 results
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/nba-pos...tocols/sn-amp/
Tonight’s Toronto Raptors game against Chicago has been postponed due to COVID-19 health and safety protocols.
A statement from the NBA says that because of positive test results and ongoing contract tracing, the Raptors don’t have the league-required eight available players.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1366055808665018370
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02-28-2021, 11:20 AM
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Yeesh. Sounds like Nurse. I wonder what the percentage of pro athletes get it compared to the general population. The obvious reason is players are closer to one another so if one gets it, many get it, but I wonder about the original person prior to everyone else contracting it, if you look at that as the originator if these guys are much more sociable out of the arena leading to more positive tests? Seems like pro athletes are getting it an alarming rate.
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