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Old 07-02-2019, 01:38 PM   #1
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Get this up for a debate.

Joly and AOM are gone right?

Discussion on graduates ... by age and games I see all three as still prospects, Rasmus Andersson not.

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Who did I miss?

xAdam Ollas Mattsson
Adam Ruzicka
Andrew Mangiapane
xD'Artagnan Joly
Demetrios Koumontzis
Dillon Dube
Dmitry Zavgorodniy
Dustin Wolf
Eetu Tuulola
Filip Sveningsson
Glenn Gawdin
Ilya Nikolaev
Jakob Pelletier
Jon Gillies
xJordan Ernst
Josh Nodler
Juuso Valimaki
Linus Lindstrom
Lucas Feuk
Martin Pospisil
Mathias Emilio Pettersen
Matthew Phillips
Milos Roman
Mitchell Mattson
Nick Schneider
Oliver Kylington
Pavel Karnaukhov
Rinat Valiev
Ryan Lomberg
Spencer Foo
Tyler Parsons
xZach Fischer
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:40 PM   #2
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Flames don't have the rights to

AOM
Joly
Ernst
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Yesssss

I think we can safely omit Karnaukhov. Idk about Foo either

Also your list is missing Andrew Nielsen, Carl-Johan Lerby, Yelesin, Zagidulin, Philp
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:44 PM   #4
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1. Valimaki
2. Dube
3. Mangiapane
4. Kylington
5. Pelletier

Then a huge drop off with guys like Ruzicka, Phillips, Pospisil rounding out the top 10 but definitely a big drop
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:47 PM   #5
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Hm. Whether or not to consider Kylington and Valimaki is a tough one. Valimaki likely stays the Flames all year if he doesn't get hurt. I guess a GP cutoff makes the most sense. What did we go with previous years? 35 games in a single season? I think we count Mangiapane as a graduate as well

Also do the Flames still have Rafikovs rights? Not that it matters he'll go close to the bottom, but I'm curious

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Old 07-02-2019, 01:49 PM   #6
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Regarding who counts as a graduate, I think a fair cut off is the question - will they ever play regular minutes in the AHL again. By that definition Dube and Valimaki be included. I would argue that Kylington has graduated, after 18 games in the AHL last season he played 38 NHL games, I just don't see him getting sent down again. Same argument could be made about Mangiapane.

That said, it's probably more fun if they are included, so either way its good.
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:50 PM   #7
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I think Mangiapane would have the most games on the list with 54 plus playoff games. Plus he is off his ELC so if you were to graduate one from the list probably him?
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I think the cutoff should be 41 NHL games

Graduated: Andersson, Mangiapane

Prospects: Dube, Kylington, Valimaki, Valiev, etc.
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I think the cutoff should be 41 NHL games

Graduated: Andersson, Mangiapane

Prospects: Dube, Kylington, Valimaki, Valiev, etc.
I would go further and say 41 NHL games in a single season.
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41 seems like a good number scorp, half a season
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Rafikov is still technically one, I assume him and Karnaukhov will finish last but it's chill

Agreed on Andersson and Mangiapane, they're not prospects. Valimaki and Kylington and Dube are still prospects
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:57 PM   #12
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I would go further and say 41 NHL games in a single season.
Yup. My rule of thumb is 40 games in a single season and 25/26 years old (may be a bit old but agreed on the games)
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:58 PM   #13
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Updated ...

Adam Ruzicka
Alexander Yelesin
Andrew Mangiapane
Andrew Nielsen
Artyom Zagidulin
Carl-Johan Lerby
Demetrios Koumontzis
Dillon Dube Graduated?
Dmitry Zavgorodniy
Dustin Wolf
Eetu Tuulola
Filip Sveningsson
Glenn Gawdin
Ilya Nikolaev
Jakob Pelletier
Jon Gillies
Josh Nodler
Juuso Valimaki Graduated?
Linus Lindstrom
Lucas Feuk
Luke Philp
Martin Pospisil
Mathias Emilio Pettersen
Matthew Phillips
Milos Roman
Mitchell Mattson
Nick Schneider
Oliver Kylington Graduated?
Pavel Karnaukhov
Rinat Valiev
Ryan Lomberg
Spencer Foo
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:59 PM   #14
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Adam Ruzicka
Alexander Yelesin
Andrew Mangiapane
Andrew Nielsen
Artyom Zagidulin
Carl-Johan Lerby
Demetrios Koumontzis
Dillon Dube Graduated?
Dmitry Zavgorodniy
Dustin Wolf
Eetu Tuulola
Filip Sveningsson
Glenn Gawdin
Ilya Nikolaev
Jakob Pelletier
Jon Gillies
Josh Nodler
Juuso Valimaki Graduated?
Linus Lindstrom
Lucas Feuk
Luke Philp
Martin Pospisil
Mathias Emilio Pettersen
Matthew Phillips
Milos Roman
Mitchell Mattson
Nick Schneider
Oliver Kylington Graduated?
Pavel Karnaukhov
Rinat Valiev
Ryan Lomberg
Spencer Foo
Tyler Parsons
Mangiapane feels graduated to me. Valimaki, Kylington and Dube are certainly prospects.
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Mangiapane feels graduated to me. Valimaki, Kylington and Dube are certainly prospects.
We can't do it by intuition. There needs to be an enforceable cut-off, and I like the 41-games mark.
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what about Justin Kirkland? He's only 22 with no NHL experience.
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We can't do it by intuition. There needs to be an enforceable cut-off, and I like the 41-games mark.
Yep, agreed, and I have them all based off of that.

Mangiapane: 44 games 18-19, 54 career, so graduated.

Kylington: 38 games 18-19, 39 career, prospect.
Dube: 25 games 18-19/career, prospect.
Valimaki: 24 games 18-19/career, prospect.
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Rafikov is still technically one, I assume him and Karnaukhov will finish last but it's chill
I don't know Mitchell Mattson might give the Defector players a run for their money. He certainly is the least talented player on the list.
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I'm no expert, but that list seems less inspiring than past years
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I think you can take Spencer Foo off... I mean he signed a contract to play in China. Yes, I know we retain his rights but he's 25 with a two year KHL contract. And I agree with many above... Mangiapane -> Graduated.

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