[PGT] Canucks 4, Flames 2

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

If you dont have the talent available to enforce your vision, you have to adapt to that, and I dont see them doing that.

If you don't have the talent to be in the hunt, there's no adapting to that.

There was a time when a bad team could look less bad by hooking, holding, interfering, and generally cheating to make the opponent's skilled players ineffective. It's been almost 20 years since you could get away with that.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Royle9

2 big Tij points.

The more the Flames lose, the likelihood of drafting before Tij is ranked (10-14) grows with each loss. Not a bad thing but if the Flames keep falling in the standings, there will likely be better players available at 8-10. Unless the Flames trade down cause they're set on Tij.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If you don't have the talent to be in the hunt, there's no adapting to that.

There was a time when a bad team could look less bad by hooking, holding, interfering, and generally cheating to make the opponent's skilled players ineffective. It's been almost 20 years since you could get away with that.

Sure, but I'm talking specifically about the powerplay.

They're still professional hockey players, presumably they can think and pass quickly with the added advantage of space and time.

Keep it simple, but its gotta be fast. Make the defenders move.

You dont need a Powerplay that only the greatest collection of greats can manage, you can still make it fast and deceptive.

The Flames' powerplay is woeful. Come on. I dont buy the 'there isn't enough talent' card. If there isn't enough talent then dumb it down. Someone in front and then move the puck around the perimeter. You can do something more than firing it at shinpads or the goalie's chest.

[Rejean31]

Not upset. The result tonight is a major kick in the junk to the Oilers. We aren't going to make the playoffs but as long as those asshats don't get anywhere near a division title (something they haven't done since 1987) the season won't be a complete disaster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sure, but I'm talking specifically about the powerplay.

I've said it before: This team has two players who belong on the first unit of an NHL power play.

They're still professional hockey players, presumably they can think and pass quickly with the added advantage of space and time.

The only one who appears to be any good at that is Huberdeau.

Keep it simple, but its gotta be fast. Make the defenders move.

Fast isn't simple. Defenders expect to move and are carefully drilled in systems designed to minimize the probability of an open shooting lane.

When you have two offensive players who belong on PP1, and they're up against four defensive players who are all good enough for PK1, you're going to get bad results.

If there isn't enough talent then dumb it down. Someone in front and then move the puck around the perimeter.

You can do that all day without ever getting a decent scoring chance. In fact, the history of CP is full of posters complaining about the Flames' PP doing just that.

If you dumb down your power play, you make it easy for the penalty killers to read and react. That's the opposite of being deceptive.

You can do something more than firing it at shinpads or the goalie's chest.

Not from the perimeter, you can't.

Players don't hit the goalie's chest because they were dumb enough to aim at the goalie. They hit the goalie's chest because he saw the shot coming and had time to get in the way.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nashville has a better roster.

Filip Forsberg: 78 points
Roman Josi: 72 points
Gustav Nyquist: 63 points
Ryan O’Reilly: 58 points
Thomas Novak: 39 points

Vs.

Nazem Kadri: 59 points
Blake Coleman: 51 points
Yegor Sharangovich: 50 points
Jonathan Huberdeau: 43 points
Mackenzie Weegar: 40 points

They’re a good deal more talented. The only place the Flames are on-par with the Predators is in net with Marky/Saros.

Outside of Forsberg, have you seen the rest of their forward group? It's mostly muckers and their center depth is weak. The Flames have more skill upfront

The Preds are thin on defense too. After Josi and McDonagh, it's a bunch of bottom pairing defensemen (including Fabbro). The Flames were more skilled on the backend right up until the departures of Hanifin and Tanev.


Brunette has coached a team that was supposed to be just outside the playoff bubble to the best record in the league since Game 15 of the season.

That's the difference a good coach makes. Otherwise, they'd be right where the Flames are.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Brunette has coached a team that was supposed to be just outside the playoff bubble to the best record in the league since Game 15 of the season.

That's the difference a good coach makes. Otherwise, they'd be right where the Flames are.

That's the difference a heater makes. Every year, there's a team that plays far over its head, only to come back to earth the next year. This is why so many coaches are fired the year after winning the Jack Adams.

[howard_the_duck]

I hardly noticed Lindholm last night, short of the empty netter.

Hard to believe how far his play has fallen.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Mistakes went in the net. I was pretty upset at the 2nd goal given up, where the hell was the D?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nashville has a better roster.

Filip Forsberg: 78 points
Roman Josi: 72 points
Gustav Nyquist: 63 points
Ryan O’Reilly: 58 points
Thomas Novak: 39 points

Vs.

Nazem Kadri: 59 points
Blake Coleman: 51 points
Yegor Sharangovich: 50 points
Jonathan Huberdeau: 43 points
Mackenzie Weegar: 40 points

They’re a good deal more talented. The only place the Flames are on-par with the Predators is in net with Marky/Saros.

Obviously Josi is clearly better than any Flames dman

The others are no better, they just produce better this year. They pay Huberdeau 10.5M, he is supposed to be better than Forsberg. Kadri is supposed to be as good if not better than O’reilly at this point etc

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Kadri vs O'Reilly is a fair fight. Huberdeau vs Forsberg simply isn't if you watch them both play. Everyone says Barkov is the most underrated forward in the league but it's probably Forsberg.

[Wastedyouth]

Huberdeau on pace for less point this year than last.

What a pathetic sad sack of a player.

[1qqaaz]

One positive from last night's loss is that the Oilers now only have an 8.2% chance of winning the division. They are now more likely to end up 3rd than 1st.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Obviously Josi is clearly better than any Flames dman

The others are no better, they just produce better this year. They pay Huberdeau 10.5M, he is supposed to be better than Forsberg. Kadri is supposed to be as good if not better than O’reilly at this point etc

It doesn't matter what they pay Huberdeau, Forsberg >>> Huberdeau.

"Supposed to be", the Flames are dealing with the reality of the situation.

Just because previous management deemed these Flames players worth their contracts, doesn't mean they are as good as other players around the league. They are what they are, which is a bottom-10 roster.

[WhiteTiger]

Ah, well

[dirk diggler]

seeing the points this year, Huberdeau is coming up on 100 career points with the Flames, what an achievement.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Huberdeau on pace for less point this year than last.

What a pathetic sad sack of a player.

Shouldn't be getting the minutes he does.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Shouldn't be getting the minutes he does.

if he was a league mimimum player, he wouldnt even sniff the 1st PP unit, even if it is average at best. The Flames are and will continue to double down on their horrible investment and he will continue to get PP 1 time. he might even get his 100th career point with the Flames this year. WOW

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

if he was a league mimimum player, he wouldnt even sniff the 1st PP unit, even if it is average at best. The Flames are and will continue to double down on their horrible investment and he will continue to get PP 1 time. he might even get his 100th career point with the Flames this year. WOW

I don’t really see it as “doubling down.” They have a severely under-performing 10.5M player. They can’t buy him out. And the only way to trade him is to do the same thing they’d be doing if they want him to start performing: play him in the hope he gets out of it.

What do people want? Huberdeau on the fourth line doesn’t help anybody. And as bad as he’s been, the only other winger that has produced better is Blake Coleman. That’s not exactly a positive for Huberdeau, but it’s pretty ugly for everyone else as well.

[Sylvanfan]

Huberdeau and Mangiapane as the 1 and 3 top paid forwards have really failed to produce. At least they can clear the deck of Mangiapane next year. But Huberdeau is serious sunk cost. Going to be a major handcuff for a long time. You can't overcome that type of problem.