Oct 22 Apple Event - iPad Air/mini,free Mavericks,Macbook (Retina Mini available now)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yeah, that stuff is all awesome.

But Google Nexus 7 32 GB - $269 CDN, Apple Ipad Mini Retina 32 GB - $519 CDN.

Is the ecosystem really worth a whopping $250 price difference? You could just about buy 2 Nexus 7's for the price of one Ipad mini.

I've owned a lot of apple products, including Ipads, and it just seems incredibly unreasonable to me, especially given that competing products are now very good and very well reviewed.

Why don't you buy a Nexus 7 then? Nobody is twisting your arm.

The ecosystem is worth it to me. I'm set on an iPad mini with retina and Google could sell an equivalent for $100 and I still wouldn't buy it if it doesn't work with the Apple eco system.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yeah, that stuff is all awesome.

But Google Nexus 7 32 GB - $269 CDN, Apple Ipad Mini Retina 32 GB - $519 CDN.

Is the ecosystem really worth a whopping $250 price difference? You could just about buy 2 Nexus 7's for the price of one Ipad mini.

I've owned a lot of apple products, including Ipads, and it just seems incredibly unreasonable to me, especially given that competing products are now very good and very well reviewed.

This is a very valid point. However, for me I have bought and returned 2 Nexus 7 (both generations). Why? build quality was suspect (the touchscreen was flaky),and the way it UI for web pages was downright weird (hate the zoom feature).

Chalk it up to me just used to apple. I wanted to switch I really did, but in the tablet space a few hundred for something I use daily for 2 years is not a lot.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Igottago

But Google Nexus 7 32 GB - $269 CDN, Apple Ipad Mini Retina 32 GB - $519 CDN.

Is the ecosystem really worth a whopping $250 price difference? You could just about buy 2 Nexus 7's for the price of one Ipad mini.

I've owned a lot of apple products, including Ipads, and it just seems incredibly unreasonable to me, especially given that competing products are now very good and very well reviewed.

Without getting into poor analogies (like cars, wines, food, homes, electronics, hookers, drugs, etc.), you can indeed buy twice as many "X" as "Y". The market clearly suggests that the ecosystem/experience/product difference/whatever you want to call it, is worth that difference to a very significant number of people. The iPad mini itself has outsold the Nexus 7 by multiple times in just sheer numbers.

Now to be fair, there are more options on the android side at the "mini" size factor so perhaps there is a more even spread over multiple models. But certainly the one to one comparison isn't even close.

Additionally, in spite of android activation/"shipped not sold" numbers being multiple times larger, the App store still generates multiple times more money. I find that developers and content makers target that money and often release first (and perhaps more polished) on iTunes but that is certainly much more equal these days. As a business, it just makes sense to target the money first as any real business (and blackberry apps last ). It all goes back to that whole research thing that indicates that android has a much larger install base but they tend to be much older and poorer (and less educated - but that doesn't really factor into this discussion and sounds fanboyish).

Regardless, no one else can speak for your situation and experience - the iPad mini pricing it may indeed be unreasonable to you for whatever reason (your experience and derived enjoyment from each model, your financial resources, your previous (lack) of investment in an ecosystem, etc.)

And that's totally cool.

But the market will ultimately tell us if it is unreasonable to the masses. At least that is the theory.

[chemgear]

Upon additional reflection, I should also point out that my comparison of the iPad mini and Nexus sales would have been at the lower initial release price point of the mini.

The new release is indeed at a higher price point but there would also be additional differences that could have an effect (higher resolution on the new iPad mini, processor difference, etc.)

I should have noted that in the original post.

[chemgear]

Here is the link to the archived keynote video.

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2013/

[chemgear]

iPad segment intro - shots fired!

Cook: Not everyone saw it [how we saw it].

Cook flips through some negative quotes on the iPad.

“It’s not going to revolutionize anything. It’s not going to replace netbooks.”

(“Who remembers netbooks?”, asks Cook)

“Anyone who thinks it’s a game changer is a tool”

[User Name]

Anyone know when the stores will be getting them in? I want to get the 13" mid level mbp with 16gb ram.... but they normally only stock the default configs, correct?

[photon]

Yeah stores only stock the default config, if you want something with more RAM like that, you have to order it.

[FCAV]

So this Mavericks...worth getting?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by FCAV

So this Mavericks...worth getting?

Yup. It's free and things like finder tabs and the inline replies in notification centre are very welcome improvements. I'm mostly glad they fixed multiple display support.

[FCAV]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Yup. It's free and things like finder tabs and the inline replies in notification centre are very welcome improvements. I'm mostly glad they fixed multiple display support.

The extended desktop/multiple display support is worth it alone.

[Burninator]

Is there an easy way to restore/reinstall/clean install OSX Mavericks on a Mac Mini?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Is there an easy way to restore/reinstall/clean install OSX Mavericks on a Mac Mini?

Here is a guide I found to do it from a USB drive. (haven't tried it myself)
http://mashable.com/2013/10/23/clean...s-x-mavericks/

[FlamingLonghorn]

I was expecting a resolution update on the laptops as competitors have caught up and in some cases passed the retina displays.

[sureLoss]

If you want a retina mini, you may want to line up early, this article suggests there will be supply issues.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...sly-tight.html

[SuperMatt18]

They still have supply issues with the iPhone 5S, and the new iPads use a lot of the same components outside of the screens.

Would not surprise me at all to see shortages of all three products right up to Christmas.

[chemgear]

No supply issues = demand must be super low, Apple is DOOMED.

Supply issues = can't make enough to satisfy initial demand, Apple is DOOMED.

[Anduril]

Is that not the result of decreasing their dependency on Samsung as a manufacturer and using smaller companies to complete their work?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by chemgear

No supply issues = demand must be super low, Apple is DOOMED.

Supply issues = can't make enough to satisfy initial demand, Apple is DOOMED.

Apple is doomed because they have an extremely narrow line of products given the size of the company, and all those product lines are in segments that have either peaked or are peaking. The one area that they really had potential to grow is the content side of things, and I would guess they have lost or are losing that battle to the likes of Netflix, Pandora, Spotify etc. As less people get tied down to iTunes content, makes it easier to switch allegiances when looking for their next now commoditized phone or tablet.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

iPad Pro will be heavier, bulkier, probably will have the keyboard attachment, and might be Apple's take on professional touchscreen computing.

Don't understand the appeal of iPad Pro, isn't it just a smaller MacBook Air with touch screen?