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Old 04-20-2023, 05:13 PM   #121
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Wide angle camera that captures a minivan taking a hit at like 13s in and a bunch of other debris.

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Wide angle camera that captures a minivan taking a hit at like 13s in and a bunch of other debris.

EDIT: Video doesn't allow embeds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thA8jlgcJ-8
LOL at all those cameras setup to get the "perfect shot." Given that is a wide angle, they were probably pretty close.
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LOL at all those cameras setup to get the "perfect shot." Given that is a wide angle, they were probably pretty close.
That camera was 400m away from the launchpad supposedly.
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I actually can’t believe how much of a joke that launch pad is… and they can’t even dig down because the water table is there. Scott Manley, as always, covers it well:

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A better picture of the damage underneath from that video, that's crazy.


https://i.imgur.com/DIbcCyu.jpeg
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Wonder what else failed during this launch. Seemed to be a disaster
https://twitter.com/user/status/1649820245756870663
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Wonder what else failed during this launch. Seemed to be a disaster
https://twitter.com/user/status/1649820245756870663
The Washington Post crapping on Elon/SpaceX... shocking.

I don't think it was a disaster, it was very much consistent with everything that's happened with SpaceX to date. Try it, learn from what failed and what succeeded, improve and move on to the next iteration.

I don't think anyone thought after the 33 engine static fire, that the launch pad would be ripped apart the way it was. But there is a reason they clear the area out, so incase hits the fan, people don't get hurt.
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The article doesn't seem to be crapping on them at all, it just reports what happened. SpaceX thought the pad could withstand at least one launch before they got their steel plate solution in place, and they guessed wrong and there was debris in a huge area as a result.

The Post article certainly doesn't call it a disaster.
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The Washington Post crapping on Elon/SpaceX... shocking.

I don't think it was a disaster, it was very much consistent with everything that's happened with SpaceX to date. Try it, learn from what failed and what succeeded, improve and move on to the next iteration.

I don't think anyone thought after the 33 engine static fire, that the launch pad would be ripped apart the way it was. But there is a reason they clear the area out, so incase hits the fan, people don't get hurt.

Posted it due to the video. Are you trying to say the video of what happened, and huge debris field, is biased reporting?

Wouldn’t want to be one of the astronauts tabbed to be on the next SpaceX launch.
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Posted it due to the video. Are you trying to say the video of what happened, and huge debris field, is biased reporting?

Wouldn’t want to be one of the astronauts tabbed to be on the next SpaceX launch.
You understand how early in testing this is, right? They are no where near having human beings within blast range of this thing yet. It was a test…
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You understand how early in testing this is, right? They are no where near having human beings within blast range of this thing yet. It was a test…

No, I have no idea how early in the dev cycle it is.

I saw Elon promoting it, and figured it had to be fairly late in testing or that he was very sure it would succeed for him to do that.

Guess I’m wrong. Thanks for pointing it out
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Wouldn’t want to be one of the astronauts tabbed to be on the next SpaceX launch.
Astronauts are launched on SpaceX falcon 9 which to my knowledge is the most reliable rocket ever constructed.
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Astronauts are launched on SpaceX falcon 9 which to my knowledge is the most reliable rocket ever constructed.
The Saturn V was pretty damn reliable, as far as I know it never had a failed flight.
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Here's a video with lots of high res images from the area, pretty interesting. While there's lots of debris and dents and dings nothing looks irreparably damaged other than the launch ring tower thing looks really rough.

Is a water cooled steel plate really going to work? But I read that part of the reason they aren't doing a flame diverter is the water table is really high there.. and if wanted to use a diverter they'd need to build higher then the they'd have to do a bunch of work on the tower too.

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The Saturn V was pretty damn reliable, as far as I know it never had a failed flight.
I would say there are a couple rockets you could put in the top class but Saturn V would be a rung below imo.

Falcon 9 block 5 - 162/162 successful missions
Atlas V - 92/92

Saturn V 12/13 with Apollo 6 the mission to not complete objectives.
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Overview of Musk's talk on the weekend

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023...nd-whats-next/

The fact that the termination system didn't work until 40 seconds later is the biggest thing they'll have to address.
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Overview of Musk's talk on the weekend

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023...nd-whats-next/

The fact that the termination system didn't work until 40 seconds later is the biggest thing they'll have to address.
I am glad that has been addressed. It was my primary thought as the rocket tumbled for quite some time seemingly totally out of control... the boom button has to work better. Or else it gets super dangerous to be anywhere underneath.
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You would think "blowing up a rocket" would be about the easiest part.
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"Musk said the problem could be solved with a "longer detonation cord" to make sure the propellant tanks are fully unzipped rapidly."

Huh so they just do enough to open the rocket rather than actually having enough explosives to explode the rocket.. I guess makes sense.
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