Ring Road To Nowhere

[malcolmk14]

I just can't wait until it's open all the way to Highway 2. I go back and forth between Westhills and Airdrie a lot and it's going to make the drive SO MUCH EASIER during rush hour.

[JohnnyO]

We took Stoney NW to Harvest Hills (AKA Center St) on the weekend then Center North to 566 and over to the #2 15 mins from Royal Oak it's awesome!! Cross Iron mall is closer/faster then getting to downtown.

I seriously don't understand why there is going to be a light at harvest hills and the 2lanes/or 3lanes/ or 4lanes in places is going to be a disater. Lanes disappear. Truckers will hate it if it gets busy as merge lanes go into the crusing lanes in places. 3 lanes would be ideal and no planning for the future appears in places (ex. Nose Creek bridge (Near Kincora) has no room for expansion, build it 6 lanes and use 4 because to add those 2 extra lanes in 10 years will cost 2 times the cost of the inital 4 lane bridge)

I understand people can't merge in this city but do we really need to idiot proof all these interchanges for that? The foot print and I imagine the cost of some of these could be reduced significantly if people learned to merge properly and drivers move over or let merging traffic in (3 lanes would help).

[Chump]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Well I would assume they are going to finish it aren't they?

I'd much rather they open up the road as much as they have while they finish up some of the access than keep it closed becasue some of the interchanges aren't complete.

All the orange lines on the map are part of the ultimate plan but they are not planning on building those ramps any time soon.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by JohnnyO

I seriously don't understand why there is going to be a light at harvest hills

I think that's just temporary. If you look at Google Maps/Earth you can see where the interchange will be (just east of Centre Street). I think they are going to call it 1 St NE.

Edit: Or maybe you mean even after the interchange is built there are going to be lights for people trying to get onto Stoney from Harvest Hills ??

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

I think that's just temporary. If you look at Google Maps/Earth you can see where the interchange will be (just east of Centre Street). I think they are going to call it 1 St NE.

yeah, they've got the dirt piled up there just waiting for an overpass as well.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Well I would assume they are going to finish it aren't they?

I'd much rather they open up the road as much as they have while they finish up some of the access than keep it closed becasue some of the interchanges aren't complete.

Yes, it will be finished eventually. However, it is finished as much as it is planned and funded to be right now. The rest of the interchange is not currently under construction. On the drawing that was posted, the stuff in yellow is built, the stuff in orange is future.

The "ultimate" interchange isn't currently needed, and will be built when it is needed.

That being said, it wouldn't be that costly to build ramps that would allow all traffic movements, with traffic lights, as a temporary measure until the ultimate interchange is required.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

That being said, it wouldn't be that costly to build ramps that would allow all traffic movements, with traffic lights, as a temporary measure until the ultimate interchange is required.

Yes, but how many such interchanges are there on the 3 quadrants that have ring road sections under construction?

[rayne008]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Well I would assume they are going to finish it aren't they?

I'd much rather they open up the road as much as they have while they finish up some of the access than keep it closed becasue some of the interchanges aren't complete.

The ones at Shag have the off ramp right of ways done, but that's it.

On the Sarcee Interchange, I can't see for the life of me how its more cost effective to put lights on a brand new interchange rather than complete the full cloverleaf design..

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by rayne008

The ones at Shag have the off ramp right of ways done, but that's it.

On the Sarcee Interchange, I can't see for the life of me how its more cost effective to put lights on a brand new interchange rather than complete the full cloverleaf design..

You can't see how a couple of traffic lights are cheaper then a couple of long flyover bridges?

They don't build old style cloverleaf interchanges for a reason. They create unsafe traffic flows and don't handle as much traffic before traffic comes to a standstill as these new designs.

Barlow/16th Ave is the only full cloverleaf interchange left in this city, and it only works because there's not a lot of "left turn" activity, AND the interchange is HUGE.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Yes, but how many such interchanges are there on the 3 quadrants that have ring road sections under construction?

What do you mean, interchanges that have temporary lights - such as what my post suggests? None.

If you mean interchanges with lights period, most of them.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I just can't wait until it's open all the way to Highway 2. I go back and forth between Westhills and Airdrie a lot and it's going to make the drive SO MUCH EASIER during rush hour.

nm

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

You can't see how a couple of traffic lights are cheaper then a couple of long flyover bridges?

They don't build old style cloverleaf interchanges for a reason. They create unsafe traffic flows and don't handle as much traffic before traffic comes to a standstill as these new designs.

Barlow/16th Ave is the only full cloverleaf interchange left in this city, and it only works because there's not a lot of "left turn" activity, AND the interchange is HUGE.

What's your view on the merge lights like some other cities have?

[rayne008]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

You can't see how a couple of traffic lights are cheaper then a couple of long flyover bridges?

They don't build old style cloverleaf interchanges for a reason. They create unsafe traffic flows and don't handle as much traffic before traffic comes to a standstill as these new designs.

Barlow/16th Ave is the only full cloverleaf interchange left in this city, and it only works because there's not a lot of "left turn" activity, AND the interchange is HUGE.

The bridges and flyovers are all done. (The most $$$)
I would have thought doing the off ramps and such would have been
fairly comparable to lights. [although obviously I'm not an expert]

Side note, anyone care to estimate the number of street lights on Stoney Trail between Hwy 1 and Hwy 2?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Shazam

What's your view on the merge lights like some other cities have?

The lights alternating traffic before entering a freeway? They are probably useful to help solve problems on existing freeways, but new freeways built these days should not be designed to need them.

Originally Posted by rayne008

The brides and flyovers are all done.
I would have thought doing the off ramps and such would have been
fairly comparable. [although obviously I'm not an expert]

Side note, anyone care to estimate the number of street lights on Stoney Trail between Hwy 1 and Hwy 2?

You were talking about the Sarcee interchange right? The bridge is done, there's no flyovers, nor will there ever be. The interchange is now as it is planned to be for a long time.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by rayne008

Side note, anyone care to estimate the number of street lights on Stoney Trail between Hwy 1 and Hwy 2?

5 ? Just a guess

Nose Hill
Tuscany
Crowchild
Simons Valley
Centre St

Eventually none (I hope)

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

5 ? Just a guess

Nose Hill
Tuscany
Crowchild
Simons Valley
Centre St

Eventually none (I hope)

He said street lights, not traffic lights. I imagine there would be around 300-400 Street lights.

As for traffic lights, once all the currently underway construction is complete, there will be two traffic lights along Stoney on it's entire path around the north end of the city. Nose Hill Drive and Harvest Hills Blvd.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

He said street lights, not traffic lights. I imagine there would be around 300-400 Street lights.

As for traffic lights, once all the currently underway construction is complete, there will be two traffic lights along Stoney on it's entire path around the north end of the city. Nose Hill Drive and Harvest Hills Blvd.

Nose Hill Drive doesn't intersect with Stoney (I wish it did as it would be much more convenient for me). Do you mean Sarcee?

[browna]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

That's a large chunk of prime land worth tons.

Of course it is, although some of the natives don't think that the land is worth enough.

(from early June before the vote)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...road-deal.html

"They say it's a land exchange and I don't think it's been a fair market value. You go to Elbow Valley, on the north side of the reserve and a section there is like you know, millions of dollars and we're talking thousands of acres here.""

So which is it, burial grounds or some prime Elbow Valley real estate that they're over valuing to squeeze more out of the province?

Cutting off access would be interesting...as has mentioned the city and its taxpayers shouldn't be assisting the natives in their casino, and secondly, it would be interesting to see how they build access to the casino...if its a road from the south, its almost the same path, around the Weaselhead, as the ring road would have taken, going over the burial ground they're trying to preserve, as well as going through prime (as they call it) Elbow valley land

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Arsenal14

Nose Hill Drive doesn't intersect with Stoney (I wish it did as it would be much more convenient for me). Do you mean Sarcee?

Yup, it sure does. Not on the north end, but the south end it does - it crosses Stoney into south Tuscany.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Arsenal14

Nose Hill Drive doesn't intersect with Stoney (I wish it did as it would be much more convenient for me). Do you mean Sarcee?

Sure it does... just north of Bowness Park, south of Tuscany, east of Home Depot:

Stoney Trail and Nose Hill Drive