I'm not going to get in to the Aquaman bashing because I'm a fairly big fan of Momoa's work and I havent seen it, but I kind of agree with Cecil.
For all of the loving of 'Wonder Woman' it wasnt all that good, just better than their other slop. I was hoping lessons would be learned and Aquaman would be better, but there certainly does seem to be a 'sliding scale' when it comes to DC where 'good' or 'excellent' are relative to their other garbage rather than independent and objective perception.
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I'm not going to get in to the Aquaman bashing because I'm a fairly big fan of Momoa's work and I havent seen it, but I kind of agree with Cecil.
For all of the loving of 'Wonder Woman' it wasnt all that good, just better than their other slop. I was hoping lessons would be learned and Aquaman would be better, but there certainly does seem to be a 'sliding scale' when it comes to DC where 'good' or 'excellent' are relative to their other garbage rather than independent and objective perception.
That's kind of what I was trying to say, except you put it more eloquently.
One thing I forgot to add about Aquaman, was that it does an exceptional job of world building. Themescyra (sp) was one of my favourite parts of Wonder Woman, and pretty much from the get go I bought into Aquaman's whole world beneath the world they've given us.
I'm not going to get in to the Aquaman bashing because I'm a fairly big fan of Momoa's work and I havent seen it, but I kind of agree with Cecil.
For all of the loving of 'Wonder Woman' it wasnt all that good, just better than their other slop. I was hoping lessons would be learned and Aquaman would be better, but there certainly does seem to be a 'sliding scale' when it comes to DC where 'good' or 'excellent' are relative to their other garbage rather than independent and objective perception.
I really don't think DC gets any kind of a free pass, but Marvel certainly has something going with the critics.
WW received better reviews than it should have, not because of DC, but because it featured a female lead.
Aquaman has received totally fair reviews. No one is praising Aquaman as a complete film. However, the action and effects are some of the best ever put on screen. Technologically, things are at a point where they can create an entirely artificial world that is amazing to look at, and that's what Aquaman has done. Aquaman also has a director that is an expert at pacing action scenes. So despite a extremely simplistic script, it's a fun movie.
Meanwhile movies like Thor and Ironman 2, which are through and through bad movies, get positive reviews. The entire plot of Thor was an unbelievable love story between Thor and Natalie Portman. The entire movie is devouted to the love story between Thor and Portman. Portman's character later gets written off, and Thor never mentions her again. The movie leads up to this battle:
Thor holds a 77% Rotten Tomatoes score to Aquman's 64%. Yes, I know standards have gone up, but there's no way a movie like Thor should have ever been above 50%.
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1) The Dark Knight Rises
2) The Dark Knight
3) Wonder Woman
4) Batman Begins
5) Aquaman
6) Batman v Superman
7) Man of Steel
8) Watchmen
9) V for Vendetta
10) Superman II
My top 10 CBMs/Sci-Fi of 2018:
1) Aquaman
2) Infinity War
3) Ready Player one
4) Black Panther
5) Into the Spiderverse
6) Bumblebee
7) Teen Titans Go to the Movies
8) Venom
9) Solo
10) Deadpool 2
Sorry just to clarify my comment about WW. I wasn't trying to put it down.
The political message it sends is important. But if I were to judge a movie, a positive political message is one way a movie can be good, and movies can be good in lots of different ways. WW did break down near the end though in terms of plot and didn't really deliver.
Thor holds a 77% Rotten Tomatoes score to Aquman's 64%. Yes, I know standards have gone up, but there's no way a movie like Thor should have ever been above 50%.
Thor is a good movie because it has a great cast, it balances humor with action well, and it introduced one of the best villains in the MCU. Plus it was/is part of a cohesive film universe which DC has never managed to do. Wonder Woman had 2 good leads, but everything else was lacking. Supporting cast was weak and the villain was completely forgetable. I haven't seen Aquaman so I won't judge it, but I think a rating in the 70% range is quite fair for Thor. If anything Thor 2 is padded a bit much at 66%, it along with Iron Man 3 are the most skippable movies in the MCU
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Into the Spider-verse was excellent for both the epic story and brilliant visuals. I was worried the story and characters would be messy but the story telling structure was well done and had me completely invested with both emotional moments and hilarity. It also seemed very true to the source material and I enjoyed seeing a few easter eggs. There were a couple issues which seems to be common in super hero and Spider-man movies but that would mostly be nitpicking. 9/10. Easily my 2nd favourite comic book movie of 2018 after Infinity War.
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Thor is a good movie because it has a great cast, it balances humor with action well, and it introduced one of the best villains in the MCU. Plus it was/is part of a cohesive film universe which DC has never managed to do. Wonder Woman had 2 good leads, but everything else was lacking. Supporting cast was weak and the villain was completely forgetable. I haven't seen Aquaman so I won't judge it, but I think a rating in the 70% range is quite fair for Thor. If anything Thor 2 is padded a bit much at 66%, it along with Iron Man 3 are the most skippable movies in the MCU
The Thor humor didn't hit it's stride until the Avengers. Thor was played far more straight in the first two films. The movies cast was not great. Kat Dennings had more screen time than Loki. Dennings was also the source of most of the "humour" in Thor.
I do agree that Loki is good, but that didn't save that film.
If you're going to criticize WW for not pulling together it's villain or ending, then you have to remember that the cgi robot was the main villain in Thor.
Thor was also not part of a cohesive universe at that point. The MCU had Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 2. Aside from the original Iron Man, those other movies were garbage.
Thor was also not part of a cohesive universe at that point. The MCU had Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 2. Aside from the original Iron Man, those other movies were garbage.
You could argue that it was. In Iron Man 2 Coulson references to Stark that he's being assigned to a different mission and then the post credits scene he's in New Mexico and they've found Thor's hammer. A year later Thor was released and then Captain America was released a couple months after it.
Stark was also in the post credits for Incredible Hulk referencing the Avengers. They started building the cohesive universe immediately after the success of Iron Man.
From ocean to ocean Aquaman remains the #1 movie in the world with over $600M worldwide as of today, as it closes in on making well over $700M by the end of the year.
I'm going to stan Wonder Woman for a bit. To me that movie is amazing, and it deserves both the high Rotten Tomatoes score and the high box office it got. Gal Gadot is not the world's greatest actress but she is the worlds greatest Wonder Woman IMO. She gave a star turning performance much like Mr. Reeves did for Superman: The Movie. It had great action, great story and it managed to effectively give us a movie with great strong female and male characters. The No Mans Land scene was excellent and I haven't seen a scene as great as that in any superhero film this year. Ya the third act is the weakest part of the film, but everything else is just excellent, and it's not like the third act was complete trash it was still good.
You could argue that it was. In Iron Man 2 Coulson references to Stark that he's being assigned to a different mission and then the post credits scene he's in New Mexico and they've found Thor's hammer. A year later Thor was released and then Captain America was released a couple months after it.
Stark was also in the post credits for Incredible Hulk referencing the Avengers. They started building the cohesive universe immediately after the success of Iron Man.
I'm not saying that it wasn't part of a bigger universe. I'm saying the Marvel universe was not very good or cohesive at that point. Your using hindsight to justify Thor's existence. It was great that Thor introduced Thor and Loki, but that was a bad movie. Half the movie heavily features Kat Dennings and plays like an episode of "2 Broke Girls".
The fact people are comparing that to WW and Aquaman or justifying a heavily positive RT score just proves my point that there is a bias against DC.
Remember, Thor was at the forefront of Marvel movies, so there really wasn't much to compare it to, at least around that time. Comic book movies were rarer and not as well done.
Compared to now, Thor probably wouldn't rate as high a score. But that's because the bar has been set noticeably higher.
I'm not saying that it wasn't part of a bigger universe. I'm saying the Marvel universe was not very good or cohesive at that point. Your using hindsight to justify Thor's existence. It was great that Thor introduced Thor and Loki, but that was a bad movie. Half the movie heavily features Kat Dennings and plays like an episode of "2 Broke Girls".
The fact people are comparing that to WW and Aquaman or justifying a heavily positive RT score just proves my point that there is a bias against DC.
Lol. That’s rich. The guy calling Thor an episode of 2 broke girls is arguing people are biased against DC.
Thor was better than Aquaman because it had a cohesive plot, character development and wasn’t just a 2 hour special effects bonanza. It also had an actual villain with motivations.
And I didn’t mention this in my previous aquaman posts but Black Manta was without question the most hilariously misused and pathetic villain since emo Peter Parker/venom in Spider-Man 3.
Lol. That’s rich. The guy calling Thor an episode of 2 broke girls is arguing people are biased against DC.
Thor was better than Aquaman because it had a cohesive plot, character development and wasn’t just a 2 hour special effects bonanza. It also had an actual villain with motivations.
And I didn’t mention this in my previous aquaman posts but Black Manta was without question the most hilariously misused and pathetic villain since emo Peter Parker/venom in Spider-Man 3.
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Also, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II portrayal of Black Manta is generally being praised. The movie did quite a good job of depicting his motivations. He was very "comic booky", but fit the tone of the movie.
The plot of Aquaman was very basic, but stating it isn't "cohesive" is just flat out wrong.
Into the Spiderverse was indeed excellent. But it is for a certain audience I think. I can't see someone like my dad enjoying it, or my roommates dad who came with us and didn't really connect with it.
But it was a very wacky story told in a unique way and had a lot of fun characters. And can't really understate the fantastic animation, especially during the final scene.
1) The Dark Knight Rises
2) The Dark Knight
3) Wonder Woman
4) Batman Begins
5) Aquaman
6) Batman v Superman
7) Man of Steel
8) Watchmen
9) V for Vendetta
10) Superman II
My top 10 CBMs/Sci-Fi of 2018:
1) Aquaman
2) Infinity War
3) Ready Player one
4) Black Panther
5) Into the Spiderverse
6) Bumblebee
7) Teen Titans Go to the Movies
8) Venom
9) Solo
10) Deadpool 2
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