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Old 03-29-2022, 11:20 AM   #441
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Huh, that's crazy. Didn't know we had our own air refuellers. I'm kinda surprised.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:22 AM   #442
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Huh, that's crazy. Didn't know we had our own air refuellers. I'm kinda surprised.
Actually in the process of ordering new ones as well. Same one the Aussies started using a few years back

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Old 03-29-2022, 11:36 AM   #443
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https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/...r-and-why-now/


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As to the competition, despite strong economic incentives, Saab likely struggled in any situation where NATO interoperability mattered, with a growing number of alliance nations selecting the F-35. And Boeing, which at one point seemed the likely winner under the Trudeau government, faded out of the competition due to non-defense factors.
“It was unlikely that Canada would purchase a Boeing plane after the company sued Bombardier,” noted Carvin, who in 2021 published a book on Canada’s national security needs.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/01...an-the-gripen/


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The Royal Thai Air Force is considering the acquisition of new fighter aircraft, and favors the Lockheed Martin F-35. Among the arguments, in addition to its advanced technology, it is argued that it has a cheaper acquisition price than the Saab Gripen.

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The F-35 Lightning II aircraft, made by U.S. defense giant Lockheed Martin, have become the better option now that costs have come down, as they have dropped to $82 million (2.7 billion baht) each, compared to $142 million for the model when it was first released, ACM Napadej said.
He added that the new Swedish-made Saab Gripen is priced at $85 million per unit, making the Lockheed Martin product more convenient and within the Air Force’s reach. He even stated that, depending on the negotiations, the unit prices of the F-35 can be reduced to a little more than 70 million dollars each.
Comparing recent F-35 prices

The price of USD 82 million per F-35A unit is close to what Lockheed Martin predicted the Lot 12 aircraft will cost. The same was on par with the USD 77.9 million for the Lot 14 aircraft, which is still far from the optimistic USD 70 million mentioned by Commander Napadej Dhupatemiya.

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What we do know a little more about is the cost per flight hour, which is around $8,000. The USAF establishes a current cost per flight hour for its fleet of F-35As at $33,300, or slightly less. Therefore, compared to future F-35 lots, the Gripen would have slightly higher purchase price, but significantly lower flight hour costs.
However, both the Swiss and Finnish authorities argued that the F-35 was the best cost/benefit investment, if its full life-cycle economics were taken into account.

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Commander-in-Chief Napadej said the Air Force is also interested in the latest modern air warfare technologies, especially those involving the Loyal Wingman, an unmanned combat air vehicle.
Developed by the Royal Australian Air Force and Boeing, the unmanned aircraft flies teamed with other piloted aircraft to provide support and can be equipped with different weapons and sensors.

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«We don’t need a full fleet of F-35 aircraft. We can use only eight to 12 and use drones to fly alongside manned aircraft.» «This will help save costs. This is relatively new, but these technologies are likely to develop quickly» commented ACM Napadej.

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Old 03-29-2022, 11:50 AM   #444
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The loyal wingman concept is going to be extremely interesting the next decade
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Old 03-30-2022, 12:56 PM   #445
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If I remember correctly our current air to air refuelling planes aren’t compatible with the F35 so we’ll need new ones of those as well
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Old 03-30-2022, 12:59 PM   #446
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If I remember correctly our current air to air refuelling planes aren’t compatible with the F35 so we’ll need new ones of those as well
We'll be taking deliveries of the new refueller around the same time, they announced that last July-ish

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Airbus has emerged as the only qualified supplier for a new fleet of Canadian Forces refueling planes and VIP aircraft.

The project, which includes the larger aircraft used by the prime minister, could cost up to $5 billion, but the final tally still has to be determined. The new planes will replace the existing Polaris aircraft flown by the Royal Canadian Air Force.

The aircraft deemed to be qualified for the job is the Airbus A330 MRTT, which is a dual-role refueling and transport plane.
Probably retain the ability to do both boom and drogue with the new ones since a big part of our NATO contributions always seems to be refueling everybody, not just ourselves. I think over Lybia something like 25% of all refueling of NATO aircraft was done by two RCAF CC-150's
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You know its really too bad we couldn't keep a half dozen of the CF-18's and convert them to growlers.



Having a fleet of F-35's and a group of dedicated EW fighters would be a nice strike balance.
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US is doing some interesting things with EW right now, making a EW version of the F-15. If it's done mostly with external pods I'd 100000% want Canada to look into that
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Old 03-30-2022, 03:07 PM   #449
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You know its really too bad we couldn't keep a half dozen of the CF-18's and convert them to growlers.

Having a fleet of F-35's and a group of dedicated EW fighters would be a nice strike balance.
Cheaper to just buy the EA-18G instead of trying to upgrade our old frames?
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Old 03-30-2022, 03:08 PM   #450
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And isn't the Growler built on the Super Hornet platform?
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Yeah, I'm not aware of an EW upgrade for legacy Hornets anyway. Certainly not something the US did, they just kept the Prowler around until the Growler was ready
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If I remember correctly our current air to air refuelling planes aren’t compatible with the F35 so we’ll need new ones of those as well
You know what would be great for mid-air refueling?

If you guessed 'Zeppelins' then you guessed correctly!

Just pack 'em to the brim with AvGas and Bob's your Uncle and you're off to the races!

Just imagine how much fuel those babies could haul!!
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Now I'm search the max speed of a zeppelin and the stall speed of an F-35...
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Now I'm search the max speed of a zeppelin and the stall speed of an F-35...
The Max air speed of a heavily fuel-laden Zeppelin!

There could be some considerable cost savings here!

Run them on Electric motors and line the external surface with Solar Panels! It could stay in the air forever!

We could have the greenest and most kickass Air Force in the World!

Albeit one that is rather slow, easy to defeat and not particularly all that useful!
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Cool but ineffective > effective but boring.
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Cool but ineffective > effective but boring.
Thats always been my theory, but I'm far from a Military expert.
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The Max air speed of a heavily fuel-laden Zeppelin!
African or European?
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African or European?
European of course.
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Now I'm search the max speed of a zeppelin and the stall speed of an F-35...
If we buy the F35B it has STOL and vertical takeoff capabilities, maybe it could fly slow enough to refuel from the zeppelins! The downside is this model carries less fuel but if we're refueling from a zeppelin then just keep one handy and that problem resolves itself.

Locke, you might be on to something here.
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If we buy the F35B it has STOL and vertical takeoff capabilities, maybe it could fly slow enough to refuel from the zeppelins! The downside is this model carries less fuel but if we're refueling from a zeppelin then just keep one handy and that problem resolves itself.

Locke, you might be on to something here.
I shall issue my invoice to the Military Appropriations Committee. Maybe my Great-Grandchildren will get paid.
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