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Old 01-04-2022, 11:38 PM   #921
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Yes, absolutely there are larger structural problems at play here where you definitely have a point.
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:40 PM   #922
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That's the ####ing problem here.

He did everything right and brought his ####ing covid to the work place for all of us to enjoy.

Which brings me back to my post and the first line in my post, which was a simple question.
Should people have to isolate for 14 days every time they ride transit, go to a restaurant, play hockey, or get together with friends or family?

The virus is anywhere, and everywhere. Vaccines are awesome though.
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:43 PM   #923
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Rapid tests are creating a false sense of security allowing people to go around symptomatic and likely infectious. Seems like a decent percentage of the population have to be full blown to test positive. At the end of the day we probably aren't dodging this thing over the next month or so.
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:45 PM   #924
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If the guy even waited 5 days before coming back to work this would have all been avoided.
How do you know he got it travelling and didn't get it on the 31st or 1st when be was back in town already?
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:48 PM   #925
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So the answer to the question why aren't we making travelers isolate anymore is...."you're going to get exposed to it anyways, so #### it"

Alrighty then.

I'm fully vaxxed, as are most out here, if not all.

They sent buddy home. Why? He's fully vaxxed so who gives a ####.

They will send me home too if I test positive.
They will probably shut the whole operation down if enough people test positive.

Why? Who gives a #### right? That's what vaccinations are for.

Maybe the vaccination can pay me my day rate for all the days I will miss if we get shut down lol

If the guy even waited 5 days before coming back to work this would have all been avoided.

You have no way to know he brought it back from his trip, he could have just as easily got it from one of you guys walking around asymptomatic. Or from any number of other places.
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:48 PM   #926
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No. Vaccines prevent serious illness and death, which was not what heís worried about.

This is why we should have paid sick days. Either that or give up completely on not going to work/school/social outings with symptoms. Let the virus spread freely.

Treat it like a cold. Only stay home if you get paid sick time. But still hang out with friends, go to the movies, vacation and go to work if youíre paid hourly. Basically take no precautions and only skip things if you feel unwell enough to want to skip them.
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Rapid tests are creating a false sense of security allowing people to go around symptomatic and likely infectious. Seems like a decent percentage of the population have to be full blown to test positive. At the end of the day we probably aren't dodging this thing over the next month or so.
Governments plan to end the fear. They were up to it all alomg!
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:49 PM   #927
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How do you know he got it travelling and didn't get it on the 31st or 1st when be was back in town already?
If he got it at a New Years get together in Calgary, then is it OK? (Directed at Roof Daddy).
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:56 PM   #928
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Most of us will get it at an inconvenient time if we notice.
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:59 PM   #929
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How do you know he got it travelling and didn't get it on the 31st or 1st when be was back in town already?
Fair enough, but according to him he didn't go anywhere after getting home.
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Old 01-05-2022, 12:02 AM   #930
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Most of us will get it at an inconvenient time if we notice.
Most of us have probably already had Omicron.
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Old 01-05-2022, 12:06 AM   #931
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Rapid tests are creating a false sense of security allowing people to go around symptomatic and likely infectious. Seems like a decent percentage of the population have to be full blown to test positive. At the end of the day we probably aren't dodging this thing over the next month or so.
This is the emerging topic of high quality spit. Depending where/when/how you sample for the test it can have vastly different results person to person.
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Takes a covid test in order to get on the plane, negative.
Comes back to Canada on the 30th.
Comes out to work on the 1st, takes a rapid test when he arrives, negative.
Has a sore throat and gets tested again today on the 4th, positive.
Damn poor guy goes to work right after holidays, does everything right, likely pays for a test to get home, and then you or one of your coworkers gives him the Omicron variant (that is now looking like it has an incubation period of three days)? Sucks for him.
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Why wouldnít our governments produce something similar? This information was known at the onset of the pandemic, yet very little mention of how a healthy lifestyle is important in the fight against COVID. Probably more important now then ever given how omicron seems to evade the vaccine but nah, letís close gyms instead.

https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/stat...737317385?s=21
I recall early in the pandemic a study found that people in the overweight BMI category had better outcomes compared to those in the normal BMI category which isn't all that unusual for an acute disease.
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Old 01-05-2022, 02:51 AM   #934
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Damn poor guy goes to work right after holidays, does everything right, likely pays for a test to get home, and then you or one of your coworkers gives him the Omicron variant (that is now looking like it has an incubation period of three days)? Sucks for him.
Nice try dip ####, but we get site tested every three ####ing days and he is the first positive we've had on site since we started testing in December.

So why don't you shut the #### up if you have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation.

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So the answer to the question why aren't we making travelers isolate anymore is...."you're going to get exposed to it anyways, so #### it"

Alrighty then.

I'm fully vaxxed, as are most out here, if not all.

They sent buddy home. Why? He's fully vaxxed so who gives a ####.

They will send me home too if I test positive.
They will probably shut the whole operation down if enough people test positive.

Why? Who gives a #### right? That's what vaccinations are for.

Maybe the vaccination can pay me my day rate for all the days I will miss if we get shut down lol

If the guy even waited 5 days before coming back to work this would have all been avoided.
So you as a close contact agent isolating before testing positive? This is the same standard you wanted to hold your coworker to even without being exposed to a known contact. The act of travel didnít really change anything.

For a quarantine after travel to make sense youíd need to have a higher likelihood of getting Covid from travel than just being around Calgary or wherever people live.
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Old 01-05-2022, 08:40 AM   #936
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Rapid tests are creating a false sense of security allowing people to go around symptomatic and likely infectious. Seems like a decent percentage of the population have to be full blown to test positive. At the end of the day we probably aren't dodging this thing over the next month or so.
If people are following guidance of most health authorities and also common sense they are not running around town if they are symptomatic at all. I can see rapid tests as a false sense of security for asymptomatic carriers but anyone who is symptomatic and is still throwing caution into the wind is the a-hole, rapid test or not.
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https://twitter.com/ErinBromage/stat...27207846502406


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https://academic.oup.com/jid/article...QR-PbUA4twVU-s


Very interesting compilation of tests and infections. Antigen tests and viral cultures seem to line up fairly well, while PCR and symptoms match better.
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:14 AM   #938
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Very interesting compilation of tests and infections. Antigen tests and viral cultures seem to line up fairly well, while PCR and symptoms match better.
I suspect most of the issues with the rapid tests in reality vs studies is people doing them correctly. I assume the people in studies know what they are doing while someone doing it on themselves might not jam the thing far enough up their nose or get a proper sample for testing.
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I suspect most of the issues with the rapid tests in reality vs studies is people doing them correctly. I assume the people in studies know what they are doing while someone doing it on themselves might not jam the thing far enough up their nose or get a proper sample for testing.
Ya, with Omicron you are actually being recommended to swab your throat as well, which makes sense considering that's where it sets up shop. I presume that isn't very well known.

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A good summary on rapid tests here.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs..._source=direct


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What should I do?

Rapid Ag tests can detect Omicron and they can, most of the time, tell you whether youíre contagious. The first couple days after exposure or symptoms, they may not work as well. To counter this, here are four tips:

Wait. If you have symptoms or were exposed itís important to isolate and wait a day or two to use an antigen test. This will ensure fewer false negatives.

Throat swab. Swab the throat and the nose to better detect Omicron. The UK has actually recommended this method since May 2020 for many of its tests (see instructions below). Here is their YouTube video. Avoid swabbing your throat after eating/drinking anything acidic ó like coffee, soda, or fruit juices ó as this could produce a false positive. Also avoid brushing your teeth or using mouthwash before a throat swab too as this could lead to a false negative.

Line. Pay attention to the intensity of the positive line. If the line is very, very dark, this means you have a lot of virus and are infectious and a risk to your family and community. If the line is very faint, you could be in the beginning or the end of the contagious period. This is why itís important to have a second test 24 or 48 hours after seeing a faint line to see if youíre still positive. This will give you an idea of whether youíre in the beginning or the end. Below is a display of rapid antigen tests over 11 days from my dear colleague in the UK (before Omicron). You can see that the second red line (indicating a positive test) gets very dark and then lighter and lighter until the test is negative.

Retest. A single negative rapid test canít reliably rule out COVID-19, because it may be that you tested too early, and that the answer will change in a few hours, or a few days. If you think you probably have COVID, but the test was negative, and you need a definite answer, test again in 1-2 days (and isolate as a precaution).
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