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Old 02-15-2018, 12:39 AM   #1161
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Honestly, for me, the artists don't personally bother me as much as the politicians and producers. I don't really expect artists to be models of moral behavior.
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Old 02-15-2018, 07:30 AM   #1162
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I'm waiting for this hurricane to hit the music industry. And not just current artists, all the rock gods of yore. I bet you could count the stars in the rock and rock hall of fame who didn't exploit their power to have sex with underage/drunk/stoned girls on one hand.

For some reason, though, people don't want to hear about bad behaviour when it comes to their music idols. Or they're more forgiving. It's strange.
bad behavior/possibly criminal sure, but I don't think they're using their "power" to force sex with the women.
their power generally isn't over the careers of the people they are having sex with.
women seek out the powerful musician and want to have sex with them. it's not the rock guy demanding they woman has sex with him or she'll never work again.
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bad behavior/possibly criminal sure, but I don't think they're using their "power" to force sex with the women.
their power generally isn't over the careers of the people they are having sex with.
women seek out the powerful musician and want to have sex with them. it's not the rock guy demanding they woman has sex with him or she'll never work again.
You aren't keeping up with the conversation on this issue. To the left-feminists driving the agenda here, it's all about power disparities. Doesn't matter if it's a work relationship or not - any power disparity is exploitative. Those with less power cannot freely give consent to those with more. That's the core of their ideology.

Relationships between adult students and professors are being banned, even when they have no courses together and are not in the same department. Relationships between older men and younger women are regarded with distaste as creepy and predatory. Young musicians are apologizing to fans who they had consensual sexual relationships with. It's a moral panic. These things aren't rational.
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:53 AM   #1164
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bad behavior/possibly criminal sure, but I don't think they're using their "power" to force sex with the women.
their power generally isn't over the careers of the people they are having sex with.
women seek out the powerful musician and want to have sex with them. it's not the rock guy demanding they woman has sex with him or she'll never work again.
Won't someone think of the halibut
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:54 AM   #1165
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Won't someone think of the halibut
lol. and I thought it was a mud shark led zep used on her.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:11 AM   #1166
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It probably was, but Halibut sounds funnier
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:56 PM   #1167
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Than mud shark? I disagree!
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bad behavior/possibly criminal sure, but I don't think they're using their "power" to force sex with the women.
their power generally isn't over the careers of the people they are having sex with.
women seek out the powerful musician and want to have sex with them. it's not the rock guy demanding they woman has sex with him or she'll never work again.
Tell that to jimmy paige.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:42 PM   #1169
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Tell that to jimmy paige.
*James Patrick Page

But I'll actually link to something discussing your reference.
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So apparently the hysteria has now reached a level that a few anonymous people on twitter can make unsubstantiated claims and it ruins a bands career.

Given the insane amount of fake accounts, trolls, russians etc, it is crazy to think that all you'd have to do is set up a few fake social media accounts, make some accusations anonymously and just like that you can ruin someone's life. And without ever leaving your keyboard. Just say some stuff online and let the hysteria take over and once that ball gets rolling, it ain't stopping.

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Besieged pop-rockers Hedley faced a barrage of more bad news Friday as they were dropped by their management team, abandoned by other musicians opening for them on their cross-Canada tour and had their music blacklisted by the CBC and more than 100 Bell Media radio stations.

The whirlwind of developments came a day after dozens of Corus Radio stations also stripped Hedley's hit songs from the air in response to sexual misconduct allegations, which had been circulated by anonymous social media users who detailed encounters with young fans.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts...ticle38005025/
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They're done, as soon as their management company quit, they've lost their link to everything, and unless they can fight the allegations, which is difficult with anonymous twitter accusations nobody will pick them up.
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when reading the comments below this Facebook post regarding Hedley, it makes me feel better that women actually get it.

https://www.facebook.com/search/posts/?q=hedley

Suria-Ann Johns Key word: ALLEGATIONS. Dear lord who’s next. This is stupid what women will do to get 15 minutes of fame!


Cathy Brown I remember the normal days when fans would throw underwear at their idols and try and grab them or touch them and everyone thought 'such fun' I think we have gone way over the line with accusing famous people who have been putting up with inappropriate behaviour from adoring fans for decades. All this does is take away from actual victims of abuse and lessens the real impact of true victims.


Lindsay Love Does anyone not even question that some girls could be doing this for fame or money??! There needs to be more investigation. I’ve had enough of this crap. Next thing you know....it will be big bird from Sesame Street

Donna Paterson Perhaps all venues will make concerts 19+ unless escorted by parent
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Old 02-17-2018, 10:50 AM   #1173
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when reading the comments below this Facebook post regarding Hedley, it makes me feel better that women actually get it.

https://www.facebook.com/search/posts/?q=hedley

Suria-Ann Johns Key word: ALLEGATIONS. Dear lord who’s next. This is stupid what women will do to get 15 minutes of fame!


Cathy Brown I remember the normal days when fans would throw underwear at their idols and try and grab them or touch them and everyone thought 'such fun' I think we have gone way over the line with accusing famous people who have been putting up with inappropriate behaviour from adoring fans for decades. All this does is take away from actual victims of abuse and lessens the real impact of true victims.


Lindsay Love Does anyone not even question that some girls could be doing this for fame or money??! There needs to be more investigation. I’ve had enough of this crap. Next thing you know....it will be big bird from Sesame Street

Donna Paterson Perhaps all venues will make concerts 19+ unless escorted by parent
I don't see how those women "get it". They're saying that the allegations are false. Yeah, they haven't been proven true yet, but I don't see any proof that the accusers are lying to get attention. The fans are just defending their favourite band. That's actually kinda gross.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:06 AM   #1174
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Assuming that since Hedley did in fact do stuff that's offside, which is why their management team dropped them, because you assumed they know how all bands in the industry are like and what's acceptable, then it's good they're getting repercussions.

But, with how volatile the movement is at the movement, the management team could've just dropped them because they've been publicly poisoned, although not doing something different from what majority of the other bands do.

When it comes to the music industry, you have to assume that there's a mutual understanding that sexual encounters of the 'wild' side will take place. Both parties would be doing it for the fun, experience, and the lifestyle that's associated with it.

If these accusations are about being solicited to do something - which whether they carried forward with or not - and there wasn't any actual sexual abuse (rape, violence, etc.) then is there any real merits in these allegations that the accused did anything offsides within the environment? Things that may not fly in certain scenarios, and be considered sexual harassment (office), would be okay in others.

If majority of people are okay with this, whereas a small minority isn't, do you need to cater to the minority, which could affect the majority that may not agree with them? The lure and draw to meet the bands in the VIP section could be drastically altered if band members need to be more reserved. And let's be honest, there's plenty of vices afoot in these areas. You're entering a environment that isn't lawfully approved.

If there's gonna be a blanket approach, and proposing someone to take off their top is considered sexual harassment, then essentially the majority of the music industry (rap, R&B, rock, alternative, indie, etc.) will have to shut down touring, since they can't risk someone throwing a baseless allegation that can ruin their careers.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:13 AM   #1175
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I don't see how those women "get it". They're saying that the allegations are false. Yeah, they haven't been proven true yet, but I don't see any proof that the accusers are lying to get attention. The fans are just defending their favourite band. That's actually kinda gross.
Well no. What they are saying is they are being tried in a court of public forum as opposed to due course. Misandry at its worst, just like Misogony at its worst.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:29 AM   #1176
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Assuming that since Hedley did in fact do stuff that's offside, which is why their management team dropped them, because you assumed they know how all bands in the industry are like and what's acceptable, then it's good they're getting repercussions.

But, with how volatile the movement is at the movement, the management team could've just dropped them because they've been publicly poisoned, although not doing something different from what majority of the other bands do.

When it comes to the music industry, you have to assume that there's a mutual understanding that sexual encounters of the 'wild' side will take place. Both parties would be doing it for the fun, experience, and the lifestyle that's associated with it.

If these accusations are about being solicited to do something - which whether they carried forward with or not - and there wasn't any actual sexual abuse (rape, violence, etc.) then is there any real merits in these allegations that the accused did anything offsides within the environment? Things that may not fly in certain scenarios, and be considered sexual harassment (office), would be okay in others.

If majority of people are okay with this, whereas a small minority isn't, do you need to cater to the minority, which could affect the majority that may not agree with them? The lure and draw to meet the bands in the VIP section could be drastically altered if band members need to be more reserved. And let's be honest, there's plenty of vices afoot in these areas. You're entering a environment that isn't lawfully approved.

If there's gonna be a blanket approach, and proposing someone to take off their top is considered sexual harassment, then essentially the majority of the music industry (rap, R&B, rock, alternative, indie, etc.) will have to shut down touring, since they can't risk someone throwing a baseless allegation that can ruin their careers.
No. You don't have to assume that.

One of the key aspects of the Hedley allegations is that some of the people coming forward were minors when the alleged incident occurred. Minors invited to go meet the band, uncertain of what that meant. There is a theme to many of the allegations where there are drugs and alcohol involved.

Am I in favor of due process? Absolutely

Am I in favor of the rocker/music scene being pushed by the #metoo movement to stop inviting underage girls to meet the band? Yeah, I am. That would undoubtedly be a positive outcome.
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No. You don't have to assume that.

One of the key aspects of the Hedley allegations is that some of the people coming forward were minors when the alleged incident occurred. Minors invited to go meet the band, uncertain of what that meant. There is a theme to many of the allegations where there are drugs and alcohol involved.

Am I in favor of due process? Absolutely

Am I in favor of the rocker/music scene being pushed by the #metoo movement to stop inviting underage girls to meet the band? Yeah, I am. That would undoubtedly be a positive outcome.
Is there any real evidence this is happening? Referencing Jimmy Page 50 years ago doesn't seem like enough evidence to start a witch hunt.
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Is there any real evidence this is happening? Referencing Jimmy Page 50 years ago doesn't seem like enough evidence to start a witch hunt.
Oh....thats cute. You think witch hunts require evidence.

I admire your innocent naiveté.
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It'll be interesting to see if this Hedley thing is just the first domino to fall in regards to the music industry. I imagine many rock bands from the late 70s and 80s are probably ducking for cover right now. Rock n' roll debauchery was arguably at it's peak during that era.
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It'll be interesting to see if this Hedley thing is just the first domino to fall in regards to the music industry. I imagine many rock bands from the late 70s and 80s are probably ducking for cover right now. Rock n' roll debauchery was arguably at it's peak during that era.
Hedley is the most high profile act to be thrown to the wolves. There's already a rapist list circulated around the Vancouver dj scene that's claimed a life.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouv...etoo-push.html

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But in the wake of a worldwide outpouring of harassment disclosures under the hashtag #MeToo this month, Vancouver DJ Zachary Mclean Webb's death sparked outpourings of anger, grief — and blame.
None of you have commented on the death of Jill Messick, Rose McGowan's former manager who is the person who scheduled her meeting with Harvey Weinstein in the first place.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4015828/r...ssick-suicide/

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Buried in this, there's also this California lawmaker accused but that won't get traction, http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html as that doesn't support the current narrative.

However there is a Kentucky representative that did commit suicide because of allegations, https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/us/ke...ath/index.html

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However his actions might be an admission of guilt. He certainly can't be asked now.
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