[News] Flames loan Valimaki to Tampereen Ilves (Liiga)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

it won't last ... but man would it be funny if Valimaki stays tight to Puljujärvi in the scoring race.

Talk about taking some wind out of the Jesse coming home enthusiasm.

Would be pretty hard to not be enthusiastic on Puljujärvi's stats line

5 games 5 goals 7 pts +7

Like you implied some really early non-sustainable numbers being generated.

Any idea when the training camps are opening in North America?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Bingo

it won't last ... but man would it be funny if Valimaki stays tight to Puljujärvi in the scoring race.

Talk about taking some wind out of the Jesse coming home enthusiasm.

Valimaki , also, is 8th in time on ice per game for all players in the sm liiga.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Would be pretty hard to not be enthusiastic on Puljujärvi's stats line

5 games 5 goals 7 pts +7

Like you implied some really early non-sustainable numbers being generated.

Any idea when the training camps are opening in North America?

A guy with Puljujarvi’s pedigree, with NHL experience, should be destroying that league. He’s in 5th place. Last year he finished behind Justin Danforth among others.

Valimaki is a guy with 24 games of limited NHL duty. Coming off a long time injury.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A guy with Puljujarvi’s pedigree, with NHL experience, should be destroying that league. He’s in 5th place. Last year he finished behind Justin Danforth among others.

Valimaki is a guy with 24 games of limited NHL duty. Coming off a long time injury.

Are you suggesting that Valimaki is not being counted on by the Flames?

Any Flame prospect in any league goes a goal a game and there would be a great deal of enthusiasm. Pelletier has 1 goal in 4 games in draft year +2... when he get 5 goals in 5 games ( as he very likely will) people will be excited.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Are you suggesting that Valimaki is not being counted on by the Flames?

Any Flame prospect in any league goes a goal a game and there would be a great deal of enthusiasm. Pelletier has 1 goal in 4 games in draft year +2... when he get 5 goals in 5 games ( as he very likely will) people will be excited.

No, I’m saying Valimaki’s success in SM Liiga is more impressive than Puljujarvi’s.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Are you suggesting that Valimaki is not being counted on by the Flames?

Any Flame prospect in any league goes a goal a game and there would be a great deal of enthusiasm. Pelletier has 1 goal in 4 games in draft year +2... when he get 5 goals in 5 games ( as he very likely will) people will be excited.

Think you're missing the point.

Edmonton media and fans have been showing highlights of JP for a year, trying to make the case that he's ready to take the NHL by storm (no not all Edmonton fans).

He has one more point than Valimaki this year with one less game played.

If Valimaki goes a point per game in that league as a defenseman compared to what JP did last year as a forward it would be hilarious.

I'm not disparaging anyone.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Think you're missing the point.

Edmonton media and fans have been showing highlights of JP for a year, trying to make the case that he's ready to take the NHL by storm (no not all Edmonton fans).

He has one more point than Valimaki this year with one less game played.

If Valimaki goes a point per game in that league as a defenseman compared to what JP did last year as a forward it would be hilarious.

I'm not disparaging anyone.

Ricardo missing the point? that's crazy talk.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Think you're missing the point.

Edmonton media and fans have been showing highlights of JP for a year, trying to make the case that he's ready to take the NHL by storm (no not all Edmonton fans).

He has one more point than Valimaki this year with one less game played.

If Valimaki goes a point per game in that league as a defenseman compared to what JP did last year as a forward it would be hilarious.

I'm not disparaging anyone.

But now many hits, takeaways, giveaways and mean faces per 60 is Valimaki producing?

Because THAT is what matters here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

But now many hits, takeaways, giveaways and mean faces per 60 is Valimaki producing?

Because THAT is what matters here.

Seriously, Valimaki is a good open ice hitter, based on the one pen ice hit I can recall. He does have heft.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, I’m saying Valimaki’s success in SM Liiga is more impressive than Puljujarvi’s.

Valimaki's last stint with the Flames had him clearly in the Andersson level in the Flames defense.

In the last none-blow-out game against Colorado Valimaki had slightly more ice time than Andersson , got an assist was a +1 and had 3 hits in the OT loss to Colorado.

In his 24 NHL games Valimaki D+2 was out 15:29 The same year Andersson D+4 got 16:02


The only reason Valimaki is playing in Finland is to get some ice-time on his injury before the NHL.

Puljujarvi's time in the NHL was basically a disaster and sending him to Finland was the same as sending him to the minors for a full year

May as well be saying that Valimaki will do better than Juolevi. Not a hard or realistic standard.


what did you expect from Valimaki?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Valimaki's last stint with the Flames had him clearly in the Andersson level in the Flames defense.



In the last none-blow-out game against Colorado Valimaki had slightly more ice time than Andersson , got an assist was a +1 and had 3 hits in the OT loss to Colorado.



In his 24 NHL games Valimaki D+2 was out 15:29 The same year Andersson D+4 got 16:02





The only reason Valimaki is playing in Finland is to get some ice-time on his injury before the NHL.



Puljujarvi's time in the NHL was basically a disaster and sending him to Finland was the same as sending him to the minors for a full year



May as well be saying that Valimaki will do better than Juolevi. Not a hard or realistic standard.





what did you expect from Valimaki?

Right. Exactly right.

Now take everything you have written here, and say it to an Oilers fan, or post it to the Edmonton media and see how they respond.

The point is less about comparing Valimaki to Puljujarvi, and much more about how utterly delusional the Edmonton media and Oilers fans are about their team, its players, and prospects in their system. They're the ones pencilling Puljujarvi in the 2020-21 Oilers top-six after a pedestrian showing in a lower-teir European league, and eagerly anticipating a return on his high draft projection.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Valimaki's last stint with the Flames had him clearly in the Andersson level in the Flames defense.

In the last none-blow-out game against Colorado Valimaki had slightly more ice time than Andersson , got an assist was a +1 and had 3 hits in the OT loss to Colorado.

In his 24 NHL games Valimaki D+2 was out 15:29 The same year Andersson D+4 got 16:02


The only reason Valimaki is playing in Finland is to get some ice-time on his injury before the NHL.

Puljujarvi's time in the NHL was basically a disaster and sending him to Finland was the same as sending him to the minors for a full year

May as well be saying that Valimaki will do better than Juolevi. Not a hard or realistic standard.


what did you expect from Valimaki?

So obtuse.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So obtuse.

How was it obtuse? I get he's abrasive and narrow focused at times, but he's basically saying Valimaki is a good prospect compared to some overhyped divisional guys like juolevi and puljujarvi. He has a unique writing style though so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's basically saying obtuse obvious that Vali should look better than Puljuarvi

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

How was it obtuse? I get he's abrasive and narrow focused at times, but he's basically saying Valimaki is a good prospect compared to some overhyped divisional guys like juolevi and puljujarvi. He has a unique writing style though so maybe I'm missing something

Read the discussion.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Read the discussion.

I did. It was basically a comparison of vali and puljujarvi for some reason and Ricardo thinks it is weird to compare? He also commented on the youth of the team. What am I missing? Again, his style is different so maybe I missed it.

[AC]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I did. It was basically a comparison of vali and puljujarvi for some reason and Ricardo thinks it is weird to compare? He also commented on the youth of the team. What am I missing? Again, his style is different so maybe I missed it.

It all started with Bingo pointing out that it would be funny if Valimaki, our defenceman, kept up with Puljujarvi's points in the same league as Oilers media and fans were pointing to that as some great accomplishment.

That's all.

Then Ricardo somehow missed the comedic element and argued about it for several posts.

[GioforPM]

Bingo noted that it would be cool if Valimaki was close to Puljujarvi after the season, because of the Northern hype. I added that, given their levels of experience, it would be even a bigger smack to them. Ricardo for som reason thinks that means we don’t expect much of Valimaki. Not so. I expect Valimaki to do well. Puljujarvi should be crushing the league, given his pedigree and NHL and AHL experience, not to mention his job is “scoring forward”.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So obtuse.

He’ll be searching for a protractor.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

How was it obtuse? I get he's abrasive and narrow focused at times, but he's basically saying Valimaki is a good prospect compared to some overhyped divisional guys like juolevi and puljujarvi. He has a unique writing style though so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's basically saying obtuse obvious that Vali should look better than Puljuarvi

It's obtuse because ricardodw with persistent regularity pushes nearly every discussion in a different, most often irrelevant or completely pointless direction. This is another case in point where he somehow managed to (not so accidentally?) miss what Bingo was quite obviously getting at. For ricardodw this is most commonly a tool used to project passively aggressively a wildly inaccurate and unflattering view of the Flames, but in this instance he has rather opted to weirdly infer either that Flames fans on CP are out of touch in assessing their own prospects, or that their own expectations for Valimaki are rightly very modest.

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[TheoFleury]

Are Oiler fans that high on Puljujarvi really though? I know a couple Oiler fans and they have written him off. Is the consensus in Oiler land that he's a better prospect than valimaki? I get the joke but aside from their homer media, I'm not sure any reasonable Oiler fan has confidence in Puljujarvi as a top 6 solution. He's a bust and I suspect most of them understand that unless they are trolling.