Religions doing awful things

[Fuzz]

We may as well have a thread for this stuff...

The head of a Saskatchewan bible camp admitted an exorcism was performed on a boy displaying symptoms of a seizure, and that no one provided medical care during or after the ceremony...
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On the call, Thiessen says there were multiple camp staff members on site with medical training, including three lifeguards and a retired nurse, but admitted none were called to check on the boy at any point.

"I've got a room full of boys that are absolutely terrified … they are cowering under their blankets," Doerksen said in the video.


Doerksen said he was successful at casting out multiple demons from the boy. Parents say he handed out business cards so the boys could stay in touch should the demons return.

Four of the boys called their parents that night to take them home. Parents say Doerksen and Thiessen and others defended the exorcism. They used phrases such as "spiritual warfare" and "satanic activity," parents said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...567609?cmp=rss

I'd like to say I feel bad for the parents having their trust betrayed and having their child's life be put in danger, but they are the ones sending their kids to this type of place inn the first place, for indoctrination. So I really feel bad for the kids.

It's frustrating seeing this stuff over and over, yet they always get handled with kids gloves, lest someone piss off the church.

[81MC]

I don’t think this thread is viable.

[djsFlames]

Demons were a 14th century invention created through fictional material.

Hard eye roll every time I see a religious group indoctrinating the concept in their practices, let alone with children.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I don’t think this thread is viable.

Shortage of material, or too many people happy to turn a blind eye?

[habernac]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I don’t think this thread is viable.

Then don't read it.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I don’t think this thread is viable.

not enough material? /s

[Playfair]

I think at some point it should be pointed out that there is a difference between "religion" and A person who may not be acting on what is best or taught, regardless of faith, teaching, or upbringing. Each individual is responsible for their own actions.

I am a believer and a follower of Jesus Christ, Yeshua. That may not be popular but that is who I am. In my opinion the actions of this man are not right and don't represent what I believe at all. These kinds of things have happened for centuries by people who claim to follow and know God, but who, by their actions, do not represent Him.

[blankall]

Most research shows that religious people live longer than non-religious people by a significant margin (4 years):

https://www.livescience.com/62809-re...longevity.html

You can't conclude that religion has overall negative effects. The solution isn't to ban religion, but instead just to simply enforce laws. We already have laws that prevent people from denying medical treatment to children having seizures. Just enforce those.

[Winsor_Pilates]

What could go wrong at Bible camp?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

Most research shows that religious people live longer than non-religious people by a significant margin (4 years):

https://www.livescience.com/62809-re...longevity.html

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What? Lmao.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Shortage of material, or too many people happy to turn a blind eye?

Could be 40000 pages long in 3 days and still inevitably devolve into Catholics v. Muslims v. Atheists v. Hindus v. Protestants v. Buddhists.

Bad things done in the guise of religion has to have the largest bibliography of all time. But sure as shot waiting for Slivers enlightenment and Whodunits Pakistani stoning videos.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Playfair

I think at some point it should be pointed out that there is a difference between "religion" and A person who may not be acting on what is best or taught, regardless of faith, teaching, or upbringing. Each individual is responsible for their own actions.

I am a believer and a follower of Jesus Christ, Yeshua. That may not be popular but that is who I am. In my opinion the actions of this man are not right and don't represent what I believe at all. These kinds of things have happened for centuries by people who claim to follow and know God, but who, by their actions, do not represent Him.

https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-wor...sings/exorcism

It would appear that this fellow was indeed following on the taught faith practice in this case. These practices were formally reapproved in the US as recently as 2014.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

What? Lmao.

I don't think it's that much of stretch. Religious people are probably more likely to have family orientated lives and less likely to be alcoholics or use drugs. They're probably also more likely to settle into a family orientated lifestyle earlier, which means spending less money on doing fewer high risk activities into their late 20s and thirties.

[Monahammer]

In 2017, Francis, seen as a progressive Pope, recommended that parishioners be referred to exorcists if demonic possession is suspected. https://www.christianpost.com/news/p...ssions-177949/

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Playfair

I think at some point it should be pointed out that there is a difference between "religion" and A person who may not be acting on what is best or taught, regardless of faith, teaching, or upbringing. Each individual is responsible for their own actions.

I am a believer and a follower of Jesus Christ, Yeshua. That may not be popular but that is who I am. In my opinion the actions of this man are not right and don't represent what I believe at all. These kinds of things have happened for centuries by people who claim to follow and know God, but who, by their actions, do not represent Him.

If someone wants to believe whatever they choose to believe, well that's up to them. I don't take issue with that. I may conclude what they chose to believe is silly, or wrong, but my conclusion has no affect on either of our lives.

The problem is when it affects society, and when children don't get to make up their own mind because they have been conditioned as to what the "truth" is. When we accept that children will go to church or school, or bible camp, and be abused, and then leave it to the church to do their own investigation, where they then protect the offenders.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Could be 40000 pages long in 3 days and still inevitably devolve into Catholics v. Muslims v. Atheists v. Hindus v. Protestants v. Buddhists.

Bad things done in the guise of religion has to have the largest bibliography of all time. But sure as shot waiting for Slivers enlightenment and Whodunits Pakistani stoning videos.

I was thinking more one common spot to post the news and discuss each new abuse as it comes to light. I mean, we can make a new thread for each one if you like. Or we can ignore it, I guess?

[Johnny Makarov]

Don't worry. Even if you rape kids or steal or assault someone you can always ask for forgiveness on Sundays!

It's a pretty sweet model actually.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Could be 40000 pages long in 3 days and still inevitably devolve into Catholics v. Muslims v. Atheists v. Hindus v. Protestants v. Buddhists.

Bad things done in the guise of religion has to have the largest bibliography of all time. But sure as shot waiting for Slivers enlightenment and Whodunits Pakistani stoning videos.

Let's just leave the buddhists out of this and let others have their fun.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Don't worry. Even if you rape kids or steal or assault someone you can always ask for forgiveness on Sundays!

It's a pretty sweet model actually.

I guess if you are into that sort of thing...

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Slava

Let's just leave the buddhists out of this and let others have their fun.

Meh, any vehicle of such magnitude can be corrupted. Buddhism is no different; look into the culture of the Tibetan Lamas and what was essentially the mass slavery they enforced in the plateau prior to being unhoused by the Chinese.


Here are the societal divisions they enforced: [IMG] https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/ce/cohk/eng...8886928279.jpg [/IMG]