Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Would you, if double vaccinated, feel comfortable attending a social function with inside and outside components with an unvaccinated adult present? Let’s say 15 vaccinated adults and five children under age 12 with food served. Asking for a friend.

I’m double vaccinated and I feel comfortable being around anyone regardless of vaccination status. I’d go to a packed Saddledome with 20,000 people and wouldn’t care about their vaccination status. My safety isn’t my concern anymore.

The concern for me now is the unvaccinated taking up room in the hospitals which is leading to people that need the help being turned away.

The pandemic is over for myself as far as I’m concerned. But it’s not over for our healthcare system and the people that have worked tirelessly for a year and a half to fight it.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

So, should we find out who has kids so we know who is allowed to have an opinion in here? Opendoor, pepsifree, I’m not sure if there opinions are worthwhile based on there current levels of procreation.

Sarcasm of course, but that is such a pointless thing to bring up.

Oh, and of course just about everything pepsifree says is useless and ignorant, kids or not.

Otherwise, some really interesting debate and discussion, which is really the value here.

no, have an opinion as much as you like.
Just remember that if you don't have kids your opinion means little to almost nothing when lecturing parents about their anxiety when trying to do what best in keeping their kids safe and healthy.

[Knut]

Science Based Medicine has a post out about the previously mentioned study about children and Myocarditis. A good read here about misuse of VAERS data.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dum...6Hg1E7rpvJr57w

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I’ve decided to skip rec hockey.

A friend of mine is a surgeon at a hospital in Greater Vancouver. He had sobering news. A woman mid 50s, double vaccinated and otherwise in good health was just put on a ventilator in the ICU. The number of breakthrough cases exhibiting serious illness is increasing at an alarming rate and he doesn’t think the public is getting the full story.

He says what happened in Israel is now happening here and that we need to get third booster shots into arms as soon as possible.

The vaccination rate in greater Vancouver is quite high. With a 90% vaccination rate and an 90% effectiveness you would expect 47% of the patients to be vaccinated.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They've added some more poop data. You can click on the coloured areas of the map to see some community data. Looks generally like a gradual rise, but varies depending on area.


https://covid-tracker.chi-csm.ca/

Disturbing rise given that it is usually one week ahead of the testing numbers when it peaks. This is also Calgary Zone data. Will be worse in other Zones with lower vaccination rates.

The amount of virus in stool is approaching prior peaks before vaccination was widespread which means it is probably concentrated mostly amongst unvaccinated.

Stay safe everyone!

[Fuzz]

Sheeeeet.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Your source? If you don't mind.consider8ng you say you follow the science over the healthcares personal advice.

I don't mean to say don't listen to your doctor.
What I do mean is sometimes their focus, as an individual, may be too narrow.

CDC is solid.
The science isn't completely clear on boosters, except for immune compromised.
We are still well protected, as vaccinated

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...covid-rcna1968

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ccine-studies/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/does-ev...ay-11631527201

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Would you, if double vaccinated, feel comfortable attending a social function with inside and outside components with an unvaccinated adult present? Let’s say 15 vaccinated adults and five children under age 12 with food served. Asking for a friend.

Just to pass on experience from my friend from 3 weeks ago. He attended a social function at a restaurant during happy hour (inside only) and one person attended who was unvaccinated who felt a little sick. Of the group of 8, 7 were vaccinated and the one person wasn't. My friend, along with two other people ended up with breakthrough infections. All are recovered now.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Just to pass on experience from my friend from 3 weeks ago. He attended a social function at a restaurant during happy hour (inside only) and one person attended who was unvaccinated who felt a little sick. Of the group of 8, 7 were vaccinated and the one person wasn't. My friend, along with two other people ended up with breakthrough infections. All are recovered now.

#### these people. Dammit. Like, if you are so thick as to not get vaccinated, the absolute least you can do is not go in public when you feel unwell. What an idiot.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

#### these people. Dammit. Like, if you are so thick as to not get vaccinated, the absolute least you can do is not go in public when you feel unwell. What an idiot.

Yeah man. My buddy ended up passing it to his wife as well who is also fully vaccinated. Luckily both of them recovered with very mild symptoms, but obviously, my friend is super pissed off.

[Fuzz]

he chief health officer for Delta Air Lines said this week that the carrier’s decision to implement a $200 surcharge for unvaccinated employees has convinced a “huge” portion of the workforce to change their minds about the jab.

Dr. Henry Ting, speaking during a Thursday media briefing with the Infectious Diseases Society of America, said that approximately 20,000 Delta team members had not been vaccinated as of Aug. 25, when CEO Ed Bastian announced a monthly surcharge for unvaccinated employees on Delta’s healthcare plan.

“Just within the two weeks of the announcement, we’ve seen nearly 20%, or one-fifth, of that 20,000 decide to get the vaccine,” said Ting. He added that Delta did not observe any turnover or resignations as a result of the new policy.

https://wgntv.com/news/huge-number-o...official-says/

Delta discovers that by doing the opp site of paying morons to get vaccinated(Kenney), you can motivate them a lot more by billing them $200 to cover their stupid decisions. Proof that the stick is stronger than the carrot. Maybe it's time we start billing unvacinated for all the extra costs they have brought to the rest of us.

[Manhattanboy]

Delta Airlines must not be too happy with their name these days.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://wgntv.com/news/huge-number-o...official-says/

Delta discovers that by doing the opp site of paying morons to get vaccinated(Kenney), you can motivate them a lot more by billing them $200 to cover their stupid decisions. Proof that the stick is stronger than the carrot. Maybe it's time we start billing unvacinated for all the extra costs they have brought to the rest of us.

Ironically when it comes to health care US companies have a more effective stick to use on employees since they are directly paying health care costs. Would love to bill the unvaccinated here too but in a public pay system that's not a simple thing to do.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://wgntv.com/news/huge-number-o...official-says/

Delta discovers that by doing the opp site of paying morons to get vaccinated(Kenney), you can motivate them a lot more by billing them $200 to cover their stupid decisions. Proof that the stick is stronger than the carrot. Maybe it's time we start billing unvacinated for all the extra costs they have brought to the rest of us.

How about re-introducing health care premiums in Alberta and having a 100% rebate for anyone who is vaccinated.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Nancy

How about re-introducing health care premiums in Alberta and having a 100% rebate for anyone who is vaccinated.

Can also do a Tax credit with proof of vaccination. You can do this both at the federal and provincial level.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Nancy

How about re-introducing health care premiums in Alberta and having a 100% rebate for anyone who is vaccinated.

That's a good one. There are plenty of tools to use, the UCP is just too dumb to figure out how to open the toolbox.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I’ve decided to skip rec hockey.

A friend of mine is a surgeon at a hospital in Greater Vancouver. He had sobering news. A woman mid 50s, double vaccinated and otherwise in good health was just put on a ventilator in the ICU. The number of breakthrough cases exhibiting serious illness is increasing at an alarming rate and he doesn’t think the public is getting the full story.

He says what happened in Israel is now happening here and that we need to get third booster shots into arms as soon as possible.

I'm curious about views/information on this (the Israel situation and breakthrough cases). I'm 100% in favour of vaccines and adamantly support a passport. That said, if we get 85-90% of people vaccinated, and still have issues with serious cases and hospitalizations despite that, it does seem concerning?

[Torture]

Nothing to see here folks.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1437445497271115776

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm curious about views/information on this (the Israel situation and breakthrough cases). I'm 100% in favour of vaccines and adamantly support a passport. That said, if we get 85-90% of people vaccinated, and still have issues with serious cases and hospitalizations despite that, it does seem concerning?

Well vaccines don't keep the unvaccinated out of the hospital, so even with a high vaccination rate our hospitals can be stretched just by the small minority of unvaccinated.

Then there's the issue of potentially waning immunity against severe disease. We don't really know how that'll work, but I think for the elderly and vulnerable at a minimum, we're probably looking at boosters for the time being. It's conceivable that the protection after a 3rd or 4th shot will be longer lasting, but we don't really know at this point. It's all still pretty fluid.

[cgy-sk-import]

But.... Israel and BC are no where near 85-90% fully vaccinated...

And, vaccines aren't 100% effective, so you'll always have breakthrough cases that result in serious illness.

And, if you are an ICU doc during a global pandemic, isn't it likely you are going to see fully vaccinated ICU cases? ... Just saying...