Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

So when are we going to decide that this movement to exclude the unvaccinated from society has gone too far?

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-...nton-1.5642466

It would seem they're well within their rights if they want to:

Section 5 of the Alberta Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination in the area of residential and commercial tenancy on these grounds:

race
colour
ancestry
place of origin
religious beliefs
gender (including pregnancy and sexual harassment)
gender identity
gender expression
physical disability
mental disability
age*
marital status
family status
source of income
sexual orientation

https://www.albertahumanrights.ab.ca...t_to_know.aspx

Being unvaccinated is not a disability.

Housing is essential, but that doesn't give you the rights to any and every possible location.

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Smoking is also not permitted in several condos is this also “too far” and excluding people in a building with shared ventilation systems?

Poor comparison. Landlords prohibit people from smoking on and in the property. They can't deny a prospective tenet because they are a person who smokes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Poor comparison. Landlords prohibit people from smoking on and in the property. They can't deny a prospective tenet because they are a person who smokes.

Well, they effectively have to become a person who doesn't smoke to live there.

So, they aren't stopping the unvaccinated from living there, they are just effectively requiring to become a person who is vaccinated to live there.

Renting with this particular company is still a choice. Do you not believe in the freedom of choice?

They have also, very kindly, respected those who currently live there:

Unvaccinated residents who currently reside in one of the company's one or two-bedroom suites in Calgary or Edmonton will not be evicted based on their status and will be allowed to renew their leases, but they will not be permitted to access shared amenities including fitness facilities and party rooms.

Grow up, get vaccinated, and let's move on with our lives. We must cater to children who cannot be vaccinated, but I think most of us are tired of catering to the adults acting like children who won't.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

It would seem they're well within their rights if they want to:

Being unvaccinated is not a disability.

Housing is essential, but that doesn't give you the rights to any and every possible location.

Well, I see mental disability on there…

[lambeburger]

You don't have to tell me to grow up. This isn't about me.

We will never get to 100% vaccination. We have to accept that. We also have to ask ourselves what point do the measures to coerce the unvaccinated to get the jab become untenable for society?

Honest question: At what point should we decide that we've pressed hard enough? At what point is it too much? What else needs to happen before you say their rights are being violated? Honestly I'd like to know how far you'd go.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

You don't have to tell me to grow up. This isn't about me.

We will never get to 100% vaccination. We have to accept that. We also have to ask ourselves what point do the measures to coerce the unvaccinated to get the jab become untenable for society?

Honest question: At what point should we decide that we've pressed hard enough? At what point is it too much? What else needs to happen before you say their rights are being violated? Honestly I'd like to know how far you'd go.

It is a good question. I think that some things unvaccinated people will never be able to do, like travel globally freely, or maybe even participate in public school. But otherwise I think that scrutiny will go away with the risk of mortality, which lets hope arises by next summer.

But the truth is, for some people, the pandemic will never be over.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

You don't have to tell me to grow up. This isn't about me.

We will never get to 100% vaccination. We have to accept that. We also have to ask ourselves what point do the measures to coerce the unvaccinated to get the jab become untenable for society?

Honest question: At what point should we decide that we've pressed hard enough? At what point is it too much? What else needs to happen before you say their rights are being violated? Honestly I'd like to know how far you'd go.

We have to get to the point our hospitals can easily handle cases, and outbreaks no longer spread uncontrolled.


You understand that this is costing us a colossal amount of tax dollars to protect their "rights" to spread a deadly virus, right? Why would I want to do that?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Sure.

But how exactly can you, or I, or Fuzz or 99% of the pro-vaccine crowd be responsible for a 5% uptake? Azure was clearly talking about personal influence and things within ones control.

Shout at the clouds, curse the heavens, throw tomatoes at the anti vaxxers, throw #### at the UCP, besmirch the hesitant, rant and rave about rates ona. Forum. None of that is actively reducing your risk. We have controls, businesses are on board, governments are restricting non-vaccinated peoples as much as conscionable.

Taking active measures to increase your health, that IS under your control. And the data supports that, generally speaking reduced comorbidity reduces severity outcomes from Covid.

This isn’t azure being an assclown. If people are choosing to misconstrue the premise, they’re sort of illustrating the point.

By vaccinating our children and encouraging others to vaccinate their children.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We have to get to the point our hospitals can easily handle cases, and outbreaks no longer spread uncontrolled.

This has been the entire purpose, and mentioned repeatedly since day one of restrictions. How do people still have to have their hand held through this reasoning?

And we can’t just sprinkler some water on healthcare workers and have them shoot doctors and nurses out of their backs. Hospital case load management is all we have for the next year, at least.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It is a good question. I think that some things unvaccinated people will never be able to do, like travel globally freely, or maybe even participate in public school. But otherwise I think that scrutiny will go away with the risk of mortality, which lets hope arises by next summer.

But the truth is, for some people, the pandemic will never be over.

I'm curious what the legal approach is here.

If you can stop people from renting because they are not vaccinated, how far does that go? At what point is there medical & health privacy? Deny someone a job because they smoke?

[photon]

If I smoke at work I definitely get denied a job.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

If I smoke at work I definitely get denied a job.

What about being a smoker in general, but maybe not necessarily at work?

I'm a bit out of the loop on smoking issues in general. I haven't been around anyone that smoked in over a decade so not quite sure how employers are handling it.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm curious what the legal approach is here.

If you can stop people from renting because they are not vaccinated, how far does that go? At what point is there medical & health privacy? Deny someone a job because they smoke?

I love a good slippery slope argument as much as the next guy, but a little bit of perspective and critical thinking goes a long way to quelling these kinds of concerns.

Comparing a vaccination requirement to something like smoking isn't the apples to apples comparison people think it is.

The pandemic and everything associated with it, like vaccination requirements, are all black sheep events. They aren't comparable to some incremental change that gets out of hand. Anyone that thinks an unprecedented reaction to a once in a century event can or will be applied broadly, or used as justification for something that isn't even tangentially similar isn't really thinking too critically about what is happening, or why it is happening.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Azure

What about being a smoker in general, but maybe not necessarily at work?

I'm a bit out of the loop on smoking issues in general. I haven't been around anyone that smoked in over a decade so not quite sure how employers are handling it.

If I do something outside of work that doesn't impact my work or otherwise contradict my employment agreement doesn't matter.

Same with where I live; if I do things outside my rental it's not relevant to my rental agreement. What happens when I'm home does.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Azure

What about being a smoker in general, but maybe not necessarily at work?

I'm a bit out of the loop on smoking issues in general. I haven't been around anyone that smoked in over a decade so not quite sure how employers are handling it.

You can deny anybody a job for any reason whatsoever so long as the decision to deny that person the job was not based on a protected ground under Human Rights legislation. You can literally be terminated (with severance) because your boss doesnt like the fact that you wear black shoes with a brown belt.

So, for example, your example, denying someone a job because they are a smoker, or choosing not to rent an apartment to someone who smokes could be a human rights issue as the person can likely prove their addiction.

Unless the anti-vaxxer has a medical or religious exemption, there is no protection under human rights. They are #### our of luck as much so as a person who decides to live 100% nudist lifestyle for ####s and giggles.

[photon]

FDA gives an EUA to Pfizer for 5-11 year old kids.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/u...-children.html

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

So when are we going to decide that this movement to exclude the unvaccinated from society has gone too far?

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-...nton-1.5642466

That's awesome. I'd love to rent in a place that mandated vaccines.

[EldrickOnIce]

Looks like decision in Canada still a bit away

A corresponding decision from Canadian regulators will not come before the middle or end of November, a senior official said on Friday.

"I think we're still at least a few weeks away from a final decision," Health Canada Chief Medical Adviser Dr. Supriya Sharma said at a public briefing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-fda...dren-1.6229798

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

You don't have to tell me to grow up. This isn't about me.

We will never get to 100% vaccination. We have to accept that. We also have to ask ourselves what point do the measures to coerce the unvaccinated to get the jab become untenable for society?

Honest question: At what point should we decide that we've pressed hard enough? At what point is it too much? What else needs to happen before you say their rights are being violated? Honestly I'd like to know how far you'd go.

I personally have almost no limits. If the government wanted to revoke their citizenship and deport them I'd be ecstatic. The unvaccinated have already shown they have no interest in contributing to or participating in a functioning society.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I personally have almost no limits. If the government wanted to revoke their citizenship and deport them I'd be ecstatic. The unvaccinated have already shown they have no interest in contributing to or participating in a functioning society.

This seems insane to me.

Vaccines can easily be replaced with daily rapid testing paid for by the user and get the same result for society. There are far less invasive ways of getting the same protective societal affect than mandatory vaccination