Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[Buff]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Any truth to this? I’m having a couple of people come at me with this argument. I know the first claim (COVID) is true but the last sentence? The person is saying those listed are caused or more likely from the vaccine.

Just learned why a company I deal with was slow to respond to calls/emails. Small company and two people in the area of expertise for which I was seeking assistance. Before vaccines were available one got covid and was hit quite hard. Not sure about hospitalization or not but he was extremely sick. Shortly after recovery he suffered a heart attack. This was before he had a chance to get vaccinated.

[Scorch]

Red Deer ICUs officially at full capacity.
It had sadly reached this point

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm gonna go back to my "one Covid hospital" plan... one place in the whole province. That's where the unvaccinated with Covid go. Once it's full, sorry, you're out of luck. There are tents in the parking lot.

I'm only half serious but that means I'm half serious.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm gonna go back to my "one Covid hospital" plan... one place in the whole province. That's where the unvaccinated with Covid go. Once it's full, sorry, you're out of luck. There are tents in the parking lot.

I'm only half serious but that means I'm half serious.

We probably need a couple, but you want them in really depressing places. Calgary could use the old bus depot. Edmonton could use the Bibliotank, but if ventilators are too noisy for the library, they could also use the old coliseum, where dreams go to die.

[troutman]

A daily pill to treat COVID could be just months away, scientists say
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ent=1632600180

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm gonna go back to my "one Covid hospital" plan... one place in the whole province. That's where the unvaccinated with Covid go. Once it's full, sorry, you're out of luck. There are tents in the parking lot.

I'm only half serious but that means I'm half serious.

And since they’re obsessed with false flag operations and faked hospital videos, we should staff the “hospital” with mannequins and fisher price “medical equipment”.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by troutman

A daily pill to treat COVID could be just months away, scientists say
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ent=1632600180

Participants must be unvaccinated and enrolled in the trial within five days of a positive COVID test. Any given day, interns make 100 calls to newly COVID-positive people in the Seattle area — and most say no.

“Just generally speaking, there’s a lot of mistrust about the scientific process,” Duke said. “And some of the people are saying kind of nasty things to the interns.”

Well at least the any-vaxxers are consistent.

[Roughneck]

If you want the anti-vaxxers to ge ton board just make the pills really big and call them horse suppositories.

[curves2000]

Is anybody getting the impression that the responses we are getting from the federal government and other provinces seems to be woefully inadequate given the level of crisis in Alberta and now SK?

I fully understand how Alberta and the government may have gotten into this position so this shouldn't be a conversation on that. I am just seeing these reports from the front lines, seeing how many people have had life changing and potentially life altering surgeries delayed, talks of a collapse where basic ER needs will not be met and the triage protocol having been or will be activated soon.

What I am reading as the response from the feds and other provinces is almost a should shrug in some ways. A quote from this article " Andrew McKelvey, a spokesman for the Department of National Defence, told The Canadian Press it has been asked to provide up to eight intensive care nurses and air transport for patients going to other health facilities in Canada. He said the air transport teams would be ready to be deployed in 24 hours while the nurses will be ready in 72 hours

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...mpression=true

I don't know what type of capabilities in terms of Dr's, nurses, ICU specialists and other health care needs the Canadian Armed Forces can bring, but surely 8 ICU nurses isn't going to cut it. Perhaps I am wrong or reading too much into this but I am or was expecting a transport of dozens of patients to provide some cushion. I was expecting that we should be able to recruit 100+ medical professionals to Alberta to assist either with Covid or other matter's since the system has grounded to a halt.

It sounds like this help may be a few days away as well. I fully understand that Kenney should have done a whole host of things and perhaps even called in the military earlier, given the state of the situation, it seems like things are moving slowly for the level of crisis?

If this is as bad as it can get in Canada during Covid and from all indications this has been the worst, where is the national level of response? If I recall correctly, at the start of Covid AHS was providing mountains of PPE to Ontario, Quebec and BC along with ventilators and other supplies.

I had mentioned in another post just how scary a situation could be if Alberta had some sort of emergency and how slim of a margin we have to react. A terror attack, an explosion, a natural disaster, a plane crash or some other tragic event.

Let's forget the people in hospital who aren't vaxxed and people's thoughts on that matter and let's think about the other's being affected, the other Canadians who did the right thing. What is going on here with the feds, military and the other provinces?

[Amethyst]

From what I heard the military just doesn't have a bunch of highly trained ICU nurses waiting to be deployed. They were able to help out more with the care homes, because they sent people to do less specialized work. As for transporting patients, I don't think there's a lot of room available anywhere. I really doubt the feds are holding back because it's Alberta. I mean, if they wanted to play politics, a great way to score points would be to swoop in and save us all from the mess Kenney created.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

From what I heard the military just doesn't have a bunch of highly trained ICU nurses waiting to be deployed. They were able to help out more with the care homes, because they sent people to do less specialized work. As for transporting patients, I don't think there's a lot of room available anywhere. I really doubt the feds are holding back because it's Alberta. I mean, if they wanted to play politics, a great way to score points would be to swoop in and save us all from the mess Kenney created.

I am not suggesting that the federal government's response has anything to do with politics, it just seems weak compared to what we are hearing from the frontlines.

We have the highest funded healthcare system in the country collapsing, front line workers talking about triage protocols and not 1 but 2 provinces who have had ten's of thousands of surgeries canceled.

I am just expecting other provinces and the federal government, military and other agencies to be able to provide more than 8 nurses. Surely we can do better across the country.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am not suggesting that the federal government's response has anything to do with politics, it just seems weak compared to what we are hearing from the frontlines.

We have the highest funded healthcare system in the country collapsing, front line workers talking about triage protocols and not 1 but 2 provinces who have had ten's of thousands of surgeries canceled.

I am just expecting other provinces and the federal government, military and other agencies to be able to provide more than 8 nurses. Surely we can do better across the country.

I think other provinces are probably reluctant to offer a lot, in case they need it themselves. No one really has much of a cushion.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

I think other provinces are probably reluctant to offer a lot, in case they need it themselves. No one really has much of a cushion.

Correct this is it. It’s concern for self preservation not anything to do with anti-Albertan. Also they are helping. Ontario has agreed to help and the feds are sending nurses and helicopters from the army. Also our stupid dumb dumb UCP government decided to be criminally negligent and refuse to access federal help when they OBVIOUSLY should have because of politics and the fact that they were criminally negligent, you know, criminals basically.

Every ICU death in Alberta for the next 2-3 weeks is on Kenney and Hinshaw and Shandro. These people should be charged. They have a duty and they decided politics was more important than saving tens (hundreds?) of Albertans lives.

Straight up. It is legitimately the most disgusting, revolting, vile, abhorrent government failure to act in my lifetime. Just repulsive human beings and they owe these families MASSIVELY. These pieces of garbage could not pay me to vote UCP next election.

Reminder people and kids with cancer cannot get surgery right now. This also is going to cost a #### ton of lives probably but because they “aren’t urgent” and we had to save Ingrid the ignorant these peoples lives are now being risked. It’s disgusting. The epitome of “wrong”.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Because those beds never really existed. They were theoretical if the non-COVID healthcare system basically ground to a halt and they were using a bunch of non-ICU nurses to staff the beds. And I'm sure that can happen again, but only with triage protocols where you're basically turning people with life-threatening illnesses away.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you want to compare us tot the most expensive healthcare system in the world, you better be prepared to pay for it.

I don't have a big issue with our capacity. We have ways of managing it(restrictions, vaccines). I have an issues with our lack of living in reality. Do you really think the solution to covid is to just throw money at the hospital system until we build enoguh capacity to deal with stupid people? I'm not OK with my tax dollars going to that. I am OK with stupid people having freedoms restricted until they stop being stupid.

Yes, we can't match American numbers due to spending differences but how about 60-65% (even if it's just surge capacity)? That would get Alberta closer to European countries that have comparable health care spending. It wouldn't be enough to meet the waves that hit the US East Coast, Midwest and South or Europe, but at least it wouldn't be "crumbling" in the fourth wave, the numbers which aren't even that much higher than what Alberta supposedly prepared for in the first wave.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

I think other provinces are probably reluctant to offer a lot, in case they need it themselves. No one really has much of a cushion.

It's not like the other provinces can just round up a bunch of healthcare workers and ship them off. This isn't China. They need to find people who are willing, after 1.5 years of intense pandemic hospital work, to fly across the country and setup life for who knows how long in Alberta, and to be thrown into the meat grinder. How many are volunteering for that?

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's not like the other provinces can just round up a bunch of healthcare workers and ship them off. This isn't China. They need to find people who are willing, after 1.5 years of intense pandemic hospital work, to fly across the country and setup life for who knows how long in Alberta, and to be thrown into the meat grinder. How many are volunteering for that?

Well, of course. I was thinking more of other provinces accepting patients from Alberta. It sounds like Ontario has, but I doubt anywhere has room for too many.

[Puxlut]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sounds like the city is working hard to do serious spot-checks. Unfortunately, I got turned away today at the Kilt in Mckenzie Towne on the way home from golf. I didn't even think of it until I had to pull out my temporary licence as I had to change address when renewing registration today.

I pulled it out with my vaccine card and she said she had to get the manager. He said they're out there quite a bit looking to catch businesses skirting this, and unfortunately had to match up your vaccine card with a photo ID.

I have no passport, so I guess I won't bother going anywhere until the license shows up in the mail.

At the City, we were told acceptable forms of ID are:
"City of Calgary Recreation card
Birth Certificate
Citizenship card
Driver's License
Health Card
Passport
Metis Nation of Alberta citizenship and ID card
Any other form of ID recognized by the CMOH"

[Duruss]

I looked up immunization rates for my town, and good god it's terrible. My age group 20-39 is only at 32% fully immunized, come on you damn hicks get the shot!!!

SUNDRE
Percent of people fully vaccinated
75+: 85.4%, (537 people)
60-74: 77.6%, (1231 people)
40-59: 52%, (919 people)
20-39: 32%, (455 people)
12-19: 35.1%, (222 people)
12+: 55.7%, (3366 people)
All ages: 49.6%, (3366 people)



Also a small victory, my 3 week trip to the coast is cancelled but due to a bacterial infection in my dads lymph nodes, so atleast covid didn't screw that up.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Yes, we can't match American numbers due to spending differences but how about 60-65% (even if it's just surge capacity)? That would get Alberta closer to European countries that have comparable health care spending. It wouldn't be enough to meet the waves that hit the US East Coast, Midwest and South or Europe, but at least it wouldn't be "crumbling" in the fourth wave, the numbers which aren't even that much higher than what Alberta supposedly prepared for in the first wave.

Just cause it was on a slide doesn't mean those "extra" beds ever existed or were staffed.

[sa226]

Anybody know test turnaround times these days?

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