Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

I should mention that I am talking about Manitoba, where we have high vaccination rates. Alberta I'm not sure about, but I still believe very strongly that the messaging should say 'if you are double vaccinated, go live your life.'

Be bold. The vaccines work.

Imgrund has you at 30 cases /100k so yeah you’re in a different place from Alberta. Your rT is back over 1 though

[Wormius]

Someone put up a hand-made crappy looking poster that only had “invermectic flcc” on it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

I should mention that I am talking about Manitoba, where we have high vaccination rates. Alberta I'm not sure about, but I still believe very strongly that the messaging should say 'if you are double vaccinated, go live your life.'

Be bold. The vaccines work.

Uh huh. Kenney tried that, and look where we are now. You can do ti for awhile but you have to be ready to restrict when things start looking bad, not after you have gone over the cliff.



Maybe once kids are vaccinated and the pool of spreaders is reduced, but for now we need to wear masks. We need to do everything we can to keep people out of our overloaded hospitals. Let Alberta be a warning for everyone else. I know, typically that's Florida's job, but here we are...

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Azure

University of Waterloo did a study that said masks are at best 10% effective because we wear the wrong masks, and we wear them the wrong way.

But this isn't about that.

This is about being double vaccinated (doing your duty as a citizen of this country) and still having to adhere to ridiculous policies that are based on fear.

The science is in. Double vaccinated means you win at COVID. Move on. If we'd be more adamant about it, maybe more people that are hesitant would get their shots.

Right now its more like, well you might still need to mask, well you might need a booster shot, well still keep distancing, well you might have Christmas, well you might still get sick, well....

All of which are not true.

I don't get it anymore.

It almost seems like we want to continue living in fear and paranoia.

Shockingly you decided to not mention that even N95 masks are only 46% effective according to the same study, which are the recommended masks. And that’s not 10% effective against covid, so that’s a misleading number to throw around anyways.

Also, they still said wearing any mask is recommended.

So no, wearing a mask is not theatre and it is not a sign people want to live in fear. What a ridiculous leap in logic to even make.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Someone put up a hand-made crappy looking poster that only had “invermectic flcc” on it.

It's talking about these folks:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Not sure what motivates these people to promote pet treatments before there's evidence they work. It's Hydroxychloroquine all over again. You could take a discussion about HCQ, search and replace it with ivermectin, and you have exact copies of all the discussions about ivermectin that are going around.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Azure

QR code here in Manitoba is great.

Absolute breeze, plus they made the app that checks the code.

Have there been protests and the like in Manitoba?

Either way, from the leadership of the Premier on down, you guys seem like you’ve had your crap together. Well done.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by photon

It's talking about these folks:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Not sure what motivates these people to promote pet treatments before there's evidence they work. It's Hydroxychloroquine all over again. You could take a discussion about HCQ, search and replace it with ivermectin, and you have exact copies of all the discussions about ivermectin that are going around.

Is this flcc thing for or against those veterinarian treatments?

[photon]

Definitely for. Ivermectin is approved for human use for other things (not COVID) and could be prescribed by (and probably is by some) doctors off label, but since many doctors (rightly) won't do it for COVID people are getting it from vets and other ways.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Have there been protests and the like in Manitoba?

Either way, from the leadership of the Premier on down, you guys seem like you’ve had your crap together. Well done.

You may not remember but Pallister was under a lot of heat for his Covid response and planning. That heat was a significant part of the reason behind his stepping down from the Premier position. At best I guess you can applaud Pallister for implementing the vaccine cards and for asking the Feds for military assistance.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Has anyone asked a service provider if they are vaccinated?

My dentist emailed me to confirm my appointment (with a COVID questionnaire but no vaccine questions) and I emailed back and said I won't confirm unless they confirm all their staff are vaccinated.

As if I want some disgusting anti vaxxer breathing into my gaping mouth for 90 mins.

They emailed me back and confirmed their office is fully vaccinated.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Azure

Personally, I think it makes no sense wearing a mask at all if you are double vaccinated.

How many more months of data do we need to collect until this stupidity can be stopped?

If you are double vaccinated, the risk of sickness at all from COVID is very minimal.

The paranoia we are adding by having everyone walk around and wear masks is becoming ridiculous.

We wear masks to protect others.
I was in the glorious unmasked sea of humanity in Wrigley Field last Thursday for a jam packed concert. I have zero concerns. The vaccine is very protective.
I also mask at all times indoors, to protect/give confidence to those at risk. Not for me, for them. Easy peasy

Edit to add: There is no vaccine passport in Illinois. And I expect the demographic of a GNR concert falls out at 50% vaxed, or less. I do not care. The passport doesn't protect me or make me safer, the vaccine does. The passport protects the dirty flat earthers from themselves and helps protect the vulnerable, hopefully. And drives vaccinations, hopefully. As you said in the other post. Live boldly.

[Jay's Beagle]

Just in case anyone is interested, got tested yesterday morning at 8:30am and got results by 10:45pm.

It’s negative which interestingly I have a cold which is weird to say during these times. I am double vaxxed so I really wasn’t worried about popping positive.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Have there been protests and the like in Manitoba?

Either way, from the leadership of the Premier on down, you guys seem like you’ve had your crap together. Well done.

Manitoba had some pretty heavy restrictions compared to Alberta, in my opinion some of them seemed overly excessive and didn't serve a point other than to create the sense the government was 'doing something'. The people I know in Manitoba largely agree with this and they are generally pretty reasonable, were among the first in line to get vaccinated etc. They just felt it went over the top more than necessary.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't get it anymore.

It almost seems like we want to continue living in fear and paranoia.

It’s called polarization. The more extreme the anti-vaxxers behave, the more strongly others feel they need to pull the other way on the rope. Even if their own behaviour isn’t supported by science either.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Manitoba had some pretty heavy restrictions compared to Alberta, in my opinion some of them seemed overly excessive and didn't serve a point other than to create the sense the government was 'doing something'. The people I know in Manitoba largely agree with this and they are generally pretty reasonable, were among the first in line to get vaccinated etc. They just felt it went over the top more than necessary.

I haven't been following closely, it just seems like less of a ****show compared to other provinces (including AB). I just remember Pallister apologizing to the Province for having to ruin Christmas (versus our idiot Premier doing things like unveiling banners). Their two professional sports teams were also among the first to announce vaccine requirements to attend games.

I can understand if not everyone agreed with all of the choices that were made, that's near impossible in this day and age...

[PeteMoss]

Im all about masks and hope they stick around for places like grocery stores and essential tasks. I hate being sick, if a mask makes me less likely to get a cold, I'm for it as it is about as intrusive as having to wear shoes into the store.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by photon

Definitely for. Ivermectin is approved for human use for other things (not COVID) and could be prescribed by (and probably is by some) doctors off label, but since many doctors (rightly) won't do it for COVID people are getting it from vets and other ways.

This! Simply referring to Ivermectin as horse medicine makes us "the vaccinated" sound as misinformed as the the anti-vaxxers
I believe it has won a Nobel prize for use in humans, not to treat Covid obviously but it is prescribed for human use.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

This! Simply referring to Ivermectin as horse medicine makes us "the vaccinated" sound as misinformed as the the anti-vaxxers
I believe it has won a Nobel prize for use in humans, not to treat Covid obviously but it is prescribed for human use.

Yeah, not really. It's a medication historically used in animals to treat parasites and worms and was approved in 2015 for use in humans to also treat parasites and worms. So calling it a horse medicine would be an accurate description especially when referring to the people who are running out to the local UFA store to buy it and self medicate themselves.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

This! Simply referring to Ivermectin as horse medicine makes us "the vaccinated" sound as misinformed as the the anti-vaxxers
I believe it has won a Nobel prize for use in humans, not to treat Covid obviously but it is prescribed for human use.

Nobody is calling ivermectin horse medicine. People were literally buying horse medicine, because it included ivermectin.

[Harry Lime]

To be honest, any vaccinated that don't understand that they can contract and pass the Delta variant (or now Mu variant), or think that the bulk of transmission is done by unvaccinated come across as fairly anti-science, as well.

Anti-vaxxers are responsible for the mass hospitalizations, but controlling the virus still relies on everyone acting in a responsible manner.