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Old 09-15-2021, 01:44 PM   #2201
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I think the vaccine passport will work. Right now, the 12-39 group is around 60% vaccinated. If you remove the right for unvax'd to go to restaurants, bars and gyms, how quickly are those 18-39 unvax'd folks going to wait until they are vaccinated? Right now if they are fully unvax'd, they have to wait minimum 4-6 weeks before they can go out again. How many people in this category are going to do that? Very few.

I think vaccine passport puts over 80% in less than 6 weeks. Right now the biggest spreaders are the 18-39 group because they are vaccine hesitant (and invincible in many of their minds). We need to target that group and the passport is the best way to do it.
In 4-6 weeks you're screwed.

You need measures in place while you wait for the passport to work.

Short term restrictions, long term passport.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:50 PM   #2202
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In 4-6 weeks you're screwed.

You need measures in place while you wait for the passport to work.

Short term restrictions, long term passport.
Passport is functionally the same as restrictions, it's just targetted.

Bring out the passport and say as of tomorrow, or Monday, you need to be fully vaccinated to access [insert places].

How is that different than saying "you can't access [insert places]"?

The 4-6 weeks of waiting for the passport to "work" is actually waiting for the passport to make itself redundant and not needed.
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My business partner and I were just interviewed by CBC, as our internal full vaccination policy started today at our business. It seemed like they were prepping a story to go in tandem with an announcement of a vaccine passport from the government.

They packed up their equipment and left our location, and then ran back in because the reporter got a text message tip from somebody in Cabinet that they are deliberating a 2 week lockdown (even if you've implemented vaccine policies in your business) followed by passports, and they wanted our reaction to getting shut down again in case that is what happens.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:57 PM   #2204
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Alright so when is the United Communist Party being unveiled?? I want to display my papers please!

I'm very much looking forward to how they spin this as "not a passport". We all know they absolutely hate that word. And they absolutely hate going back on what they said or taking the blame whatsoever. What a position they've got themselves in haha
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:58 PM   #2205
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I guess my problem with the 'Vaccine Passport' is that its overdue, its kind of 'too little too late' to solve our medical issues right now.

The other restrictions are going to have to be more.....restrictive.
Even a single dose begins to have a substantial affect on severe cases after about a week. If the passport gets another 5-10% of the population off their asses and into a vaccination center, the effect is going to be pretty quick.

The cases will only mount as we get closer to December. So it's not too late
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:05 PM   #2206
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Alright so when is the United Communist Party being unveiled?? I want to display my papers please!

I'm very much looking forward to how they spin this as "not a passport". We all know they absolutely hate that word. And they absolutely hate going back on what they said or taking the blame whatsoever. What a position they've got themselves in haha
Besides a lockdown, which was hinted at above, I'd say the worst way they could screw it up is to only have vaccine passports be optional business by business and severely limit which businesses are allowed to have them.

Or maybe only implementing them in Calgary and Edmonton. That would be perfect for their base. The UCP seem to enjoy punishing population centres that are critical of their policies and have high vaccination rates.
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Stop being so toxic guys, it's overwhelming to some of us with your totally reasonable and realistic negativity.


Seriously though, does it matter who they replace her with? Clearly she's not having much of a positive effect. Or maybe she is and this is the least stupid version of UCP policy. Yikes, that's horrifying.
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My business partner and I were just interviewed by CBC, as our internal full vaccination policy started today at our business. It seemed like they were prepping a story to go in tandem with an announcement of a vaccine passport from the government.

They packed up their equipment and left our location, and then ran back in because the reporter got a text message tip from somebody in Cabinet that they are deliberating a 2 week lockdown (even if you've implemented vaccine policies in your business) followed by passports, and they wanted our reaction to getting shut down again in case that is what happens.
Thanks for what you two are doing by being leaders in the business community and in the province. I hope the negative reviews have finally slowed down with the antivaxxer dogs being distracted by their next squirrel.
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Obviously I am now fully Americanized, for good or bad I don't know.
The AB government's failing is in infrastructure. ICU and surgical capacity. Human HCP resources. No excuse to not be prepared to continue care for the population.
It's for bad.

Tackling public health care by the lagging indicators is a terrible approach. This is why the US spends the most on health care of any developed nation, yet has one of the lower life expectancies.

Preventative measures such as preventative policy, easy health care access, equal access, vaccination, promotion of health and healthy lifestyles are far better investments in public health. Sitting on a pile of ICU staff waiting for the next pandemic is not an efficient uses of resources to keep the general population healthy.

Note how most other provinces are not currently having issues with their hospital capacity because they invested in preventative health policy (vaccine passports) and did a better job with education and vaccinatoins.
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I am a freedom loving Canadian, but Freedom ain't free.

I keep hearing this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Please bring in a passport to restrict access for those that are unvaccinated.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1438233813495128064


UCP: We'll do the right thing eventually... maybe... after we try everything else. Okay, fine, how about $200?


UPDATE: 6:00pm

https://twitter.com/user/status/1438237291865051139
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You will have to excuse the delay, he's, uh, busy with other important things.


https://twitter.com/user/status/1437751678971748354
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There needs to be some kind of story behind who has been coming up with this UCP political strategy. If they would have just calmly opened things and calmly talked about vaccine passports - they would avoid so much of this backlash.

Their current approach got the majority of the population mad at them for months and now if they reverse their current position they will anger the small minority they were appeasing and somehow I doubt that group is going to cut them some slack because they got a few extra weeks without a passport.
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New restrictions for restaurants to be annonuced.



https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-e...ting-1.5586827

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Jason Kenney's government is expected to announce new restrictions for Alberta restaurants that don't require proof of vaccination, according to a source familiar with the plans.
The rules, which are expected to be announced Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning, come after an emergency cabinet meeting held Wednesday morning.

Under the new restrictions, which are expected to go into effect Friday, restaurants in Alberta that don't require vaccination proof would be limited to offering patio or curbside service.

The province is also expected to continue its previously announced rules that prevent the service of alcohol in establishments after 10 p.m.


This is a developing story. It will be updated as details emerge.
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I'd rather hear Brent Butt's celebrity keynote.


"You think there's not a lot going on..." -- Corner Gas theme song, or UCP caucus motto?
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https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-e...ting-1.5586827
So it is being pushed down onto individual establishments, FFS UCP, try try a modicum of leadership.
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How much you want to bet restaurants are the only thing vaccine passports apply to? Jason Kenney is such an incompetent ####.
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You will have to excuse the delay, he's, uh, busy with other important things.


https://twitter.com/user/status/1437751678971748354
To be fair, my understanding is he did cancel that trip.
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How much you want to bet restaurants are the only thing vaccine passports apply to? Jason Kenney is such an incompetent ####.
Exemptions for churches and Rodeos are a guarantee. And he'll shut down recreational sports/gyms regardless of vaccine passport usage.
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To be fair, my understanding is he did cancel that trip.
I'm not in a charitable mood towards our Premier.
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