Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I mean, if my dick was gonna fall off, I would probably also get some extra vaccines

I know I did!
Wait...what?

[peter12]

A new study (highlighted here in the Atlantic) has shown that up to half of US hospitalizations involved mild or asymptomatic disease. This is, of course, due to the fact that vaccines work, but perhaps, growing herd immunity or infections in younger people.

The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

The study has limitations, it includes few women or children.

“People ask me, ‘Why am I getting vaccinated if I just end up in the hospital anyway?’” Griffin said. “But I say, ‘You’ll end up leaving the hospital.’” He explained that some COVID patients are in for “soft” hospitalizations, where they need only minimal treatment and leave relatively quickly; others may be on the antiviral drug remdesivir for five days, or with a tube down their throat. One of the values of this study, he said, is that it helps the public understand this distinction—and the fact that not all COVID hospitalizations are the same.

Great news and more evidence that this pandemic can end quickly with proper incentives for people to get vaccinated, but still a note of caution.

But the study also demonstrates that hospitalization rates for COVID, as cited by journalists and policy makers, can be misleading, if not considered carefully. Clearly many patients right now are seriously ill. We also know that overcrowding of hospitals by COVID patients with even mild illness can have negative implications for patients in need of other care.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I mean, if my dick was gonna fall off, I would probably also get some extra vaccines

Fly off. Not just fall off, fly off!

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by getbak

From Hinshaw's tweet thread today...

Yah she tweeted one day last week that nobody, fully vaccinated under 60 has been hospitalized in the last 2 months. It certainly can’t get any more clear that vaccinations work.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by peter12

A new study (highlighted here in the Atlantic) has shown that up to half of US hospitalizations involved mild or asymptomatic disease. This is, of course, due to the fact that vaccines work, but perhaps, growing herd immunity or infections in younger people.



The study has limitations, it includes few women or children.



Great news and more evidence that this pandemic can end quickly with proper incentives for people to get vaccinated, but still a note of caution.

Some of that is probably due to stories of people waiting too late to go, and then being beyond help. I know I bought one of them oxymeter thingies in case someone got COVID we could make an informed call (hopefully) on when we needed more help.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Some of that is probably due to stories of people waiting too late to go, and then being beyond help. I know I bought one of them oxymeter thingies in case someone got COVID we could make an informed call (hopefully) on when we needed more help.

I'm not sure what you mean.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'm not sure what you mean.

Hard to say “I’m fine” when you can see a digital read out of your bloods oxygen level dropping.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Hard to say “I’m fine” when you can see a digital read out of your bloods oxygen level dropping.

Right, but that doesn’t have much to do with the findings of the study.

[Slava]

Do they release the current vaccinated/unvaccinated percentages? Like I see that the 86% unvaccinated for people in the ICU is since June 1. I’d like to know where we are today? If we have 198 in ICU, how many are vaccinated?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by peter12

Right, but that doesn’t have much to do with the findings of the study.

Hmmm yes I am now confused as well.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Slava

Do they release the current vaccinated/unvaccinated percentages? Like I see that the 86% unvaccinated for people in the ICU is since June 1. I’d like to know where we are today? If we have 198 in ICU, how many are vaccinated?

This shows current hospitalization, but not current ICU by status: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes


Here's the current ICU numbers...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1437542572746895363

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

11.4%, 12.2%, 11.8% positivity. These are weekend numbers, which are always lower than weekday. We have exceeded our previous ICU peak, and are about 100 short of our previous hospitalization peak. We should probably keep doing nothing, since that is worknig so well.

One piece off hopeful news is that last week we had

1330 - Fri. Vs 1659
1450 - Sat vs 1497

The Sunday /Monday are likely skewed by the long weekend but this is the lowest weekly growth we’ve seen

On the other hand we should start seeing the impact of schools in a week or so which will kick off even higher numbers.

[Zarley]

It's interesting that ICU utilization is rising faster in relation to case count during this 4th wave in comparison to the third wave this spring. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Zarley

It's interesting that ICU utilization is rising faster in relation to case count during this 4th wave in comparison to the third wave this spring. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

I can only guess - but variants, lack of testing (ie. case counts are much higher than the last 3 waves but testing is catching far less) in addition to 'open for summer' accelerating chances to pick COVD up.

It all kind of goes around for me - higher cases that are not being reported, vaccines doing their job but are able to still be vectors for spread, and variants hitting harder those unvaccinated resulting in higher ICU counts. So a higher numerator and an artificially lower denominator.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by getbak

This shows current hospitalization, but not current ICU by status: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes


Here's the current ICU numbers...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1437542572746895363

Yeah, I saw her tweets and one of them says that was since June 1. That’s why I was wondering what the current percentages are (although I know it will fluctuate some).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by peter12

Right, but that doesn’t have much to do with the findings of the study.

The study is highlighting that a lot of hospitalizations involve minor cases right?
I'm saying that's because some folks are probably fearful of waiting too late to go.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The study is highlighting that a lot of hospitalizations involve minor cases right?
I'm saying that's because some folks are probably fearful of waiting too late to go.

Possibly, but there is also evidence that those cases had far shorter stays than usual. There is also mounting evidence that a large number of hospitalizations involve patients with COVID rather than for COVID.

It's a positive study, for sure.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by peter12

A new study (highlighted here in the Atlantic) has shown that up to half of US hospitalizations involved mild or asymptomatic disease. This is, of course, due to the fact that vaccines work, but perhaps, growing herd immunity or infections in younger people.



The study has limitations, it includes few women or children.



Great news and more evidence that this pandemic can end quickly with proper incentives for people to get vaccinated, but still a note of caution.

From January to June cases in the US were in a mostly steady decline so it's not a surprise that hospitals would be able to be more conservative in admitting patients especially considering that COVID is a disease that's known for going south quickly. I doubt that still the case now.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Slava

Yeah, I saw her tweets and one of them says that was since June 1. That’s why I was wondering what the current percentages are (although I know it will fluctuate some).

Ignore the image. The text in her tweet appears to be the current figures.


If you go to the "Vaccine Outcomes" page and go almost to the bottom, there are a couple of charts with red, green, and blue sections that show the daily changes to hospitalization and ICU numbers since January.

For today's numbers (data up until yesterday), it shows currently in the ICU:

• 172: Unvaccinated
• 3: One shot less than 14 days
• 4: One shot more than 14 days
• 0: Two shots less than 14 days
• 19: Two shots more than 14 days

That lines up with her statement of 90.4% of people currently in ICU being either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. 9.6% in ICU are fully vaccinated.



For non-ICU hospitalizations:

• 401: Unvaccinated
• 17: One shot less than 14 days
• 25: One shot more than 14 days
• 3: Two shots less than 14 days
• 159: Two shots more than 14 days

605 total, 66.3% fully unvaccinated and 26.3% fully vaccinated.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by getbak

For today's numbers (data up until yesterday), it shows currently in the ICU:

• 172: Unvaccinated
• 3: One shot less than 14 days
• 4: One shot more than 14 days
• 0: Two shots less than 14 days
• 19: Two shots more than 14 days

I wonder the age of those 19 with 2 shots more than 14 days. I'm going to have to assume it's people 60+