American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Do you think people that live in say California who are Republicans have similar stories of what they have to put up with from the woke left?

Can you give examples? What would the "woke left" be intimidating folks with?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Yeah, but like Hillary could have deleted an email from McDonald's for a free cheeseburger.



So like... both sides.

Buttery mails!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Do you think people that live in say California who are Republicans have similar stories of what they have to put up with from the woke left?

Oh for sure!! Republicans in California have to put up with their neighbors who might love and support their gay or trans children (though they don't push this on their neighbors who wear red hats), or they'll have to watch these same librul parents get upset when those neighbors interrupt a reading session at the local library because it happened to be a drag queen reading to kids (they were armed, yeah, but so what? It's Murica!). Man. Those poor Republicans!

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Can you give examples? What would the "woke left" be intimidating folks with?

The Tyranny of Avocado Toast.

[photon]

They get upset at the left's intolerance of the right's intolerance. They think it's hypocritical.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by photon

They get upset at the left's intolerance of the right's intolerance. They think it's hypocritical.

This is basically it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Can you give examples? What would the "woke left" be intimidating folks with?

Good luck with getting an answer from Yoho.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It is 2022 and we are still believing in Sky Daddy............brutal

Yup.

It's that time of year where we have to remember that Santa Claus has all the same powers as the person in the sky, but it's ridiculous for anyone to believe in Santa past the age of 10.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by photon

They get upset at the left's intolerance of the right's intolerance. They think it's hypocritical.

Imagine thinking being intolerant toward groups of people, and being intolerant of hate, are even remotely comparable let alone the same thing.

[activeStick]

"Let's call it what it is. It's embarrassing."

Yet here they are, getting ready for a run off vote next week because neither candidate got the minimum 50% required and 48.5% of Georgians voted for him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1596656847397609472

[Dion]

I wonder how Yoho can support this kind of behavior.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1596934426566414337

[Locke]

Originally Posted by direwolf

It's amazing that the U.S. is so completely f***ed up that a person can still legally run for the highest office in the land after inciting a violent insurrection to overthrow the government while dining with holocaust-denying white nationalists.

35% of America is just like "meh, no big deal. He's still our guy."

What a time to be alive.

"Allegedly!"

Also....yes.

[activeStick]

Interesting results over the weekend in Taiwan where the opposition KMT party won 13 out of the 21 total elections in the country, leading to the President, Tsai Ing Wen to resign as the party's leader the same night. She made a point leading up to election day framing it as being about "resisting China". My cousin and his family live in Taiwan and voted for the KMT, as they support peaceful reunification (but want it to be one country, two systems style) and do not want war with China under any circumstance.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1596505059784904708

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Interesting results over the weekend in Taiwan where the opposition KMT party won 13 out of the 21 total elections in the country, leading to the President, Tsai Ing Wen to resign as the party's leader the same night. She made a point leading up to election day framing it as being about "resisting China". My cousin and his family live in Taiwan and voted for the KMT, as they support peaceful reunification (but want it to be one country, two systems style) and do not want war with China under any circumstance

Because that worked out so well for Hong Kong

[driveway]

So, the Taiwan elections were for local positions - mayors, city councilors etc. Everyone was anticipating the KMT doing well in these elections and they slightly exceeded expectations. The DPP was anticipating a bad night as most of their best candidates were term-limited out of running again.

Lots was written before the election about not reading too deeply into the results regarding the attitude of Taiwan's population regarding the two main party's positions re: China. Local elections tend to be about local politics, and the KMT have a very powerful local machine (which involves a LOT of vote-buying through temples and other social organizations).

That Tsai Ing Wen resigned her position (as leader of the Party, not President) is totally normal. This is, in fact, the third time she has resigned this post, doing it twice before after poor showings in local elections, only to be reselected after winning the Presidency.

Some of the best analysis I've seen has predicted the emergence of a new voting block in Taiwan, the "Safe, conservative block." This should not be understood as conservative in the western style, both the DPP and KMT are largely centre-left in their social and fiscal policies. Rather, it's about governance. Voting KMT locally is "conservative" in that they are generally seen as more competent & experienced in governing (and, again, are powerful socially at the local level). Voting DPP at the national level is "safe" in that it will keep China at arms-length.

The vast, vast majority of Taiwanese favor the "status-quo," as very few people actually want open conflict with China. Most recent polls, however, indicate that, if push came to shove, Taiwanese favor fighting over reunification.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Because that worked out so well for Hong Kong

I have even more family in HK. To them life is the same after the protests stopped.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by driveway

So, the Taiwan elections were for local positions - mayors, city councilors etc. Everyone was anticipating the KMT doing well in these elections and they slightly exceeded expectations. The DPP was anticipating a bad night as most of their best candidates were term-limited out of running again.

Lots was written before the election about not reading too deeply into the results regarding the attitude of Taiwan's population regarding the two main party's positions re: China. Local elections tend to be about local politics, and the KMT have a very powerful local machine (which involves a LOT of vote-buying through temples and other social organizations).

That Tsai Ing Wen resigned her position (as leader of the Party, not President) is totally normal. This is, in fact, the third time she has resigned this post, doing it twice before after poor showings in local elections, only to be reselected after winning the Presidency.

Some of the best analysis I've seen has predicted the emergence of a new voting block in Taiwan, the "Safe, conservative block." This should not be understood as conservative in the western style, both the DPP and KMT are largely centre-left in their social and fiscal policies. Rather, it's about governance. Voting KMT locally is "conservative" in that they are generally seen as more competent & experienced in governing (and, again, are powerful socially at the local level). Voting DPP at the national level is "safe" in that it will keep China at arms-length.

The vast, vast majority of Taiwanese favor the "status-quo," as very few people actually want open conflict with China. Most recent polls, however, indicate that, if push came to shove, Taiwanese favor fighting over reunification.

The neat thing is Chiang Kai Shek's great grandson won the vote and is now the mayor of Taipei!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The neat thing is Chiang Kai Shek's great grandson won the vote and is now the mayor of Taipei!

I doubt they see it as that neat in Bejing!!!

[JohnnyB]

I think Tsai Ing Wen will be at her term limit anyways, so she was going to be on the way out as president in 2024 regardless of the results in these elections or her position as party leader. It will be interesting to see what happens when those elections come around. Still plenty of time for things to change and develop in conditions that will influence voters one way or the other between now and then.

As always, the context and the nuances of people's lives will create a much more complex reality than the story told in most North American media.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The neat thing is Chiang Kai Shek's great grandson won the vote and is now the mayor of Taipei!

Taiwan Politics 1.0 - Cash my Shek!