Summer 2015 Prospect Ranking - Round 7 - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

codynw · 07-09-2015, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is Bennett going to play any games in the AHL this year?

Bennett can't play in the AHL this year. It's either Kingston or Calgary.

Fire · 07-09-2015, 09:29 AM

Poor Granny, but at least Hickey is getting voted ahead of Kylington so I'm not too disappointed.

Red Menace · 07-09-2015, 09:30 AM

Kylington's not even going to make the top 10 at this rate....you guys are crazy.

codynw · 07-09-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

Kylington's not even going to make the top 10 at this rate....you guys are crazy.

Sorry that I don't think a guy who went 60th overall less than a month ago is a top prospect.

If he shows a lot of improvement this year, we'll see, but for now I see a talented kid with a lot of work to do.

Fire · 07-09-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

Kylington's not even going to make the top 10 at this rate....you guys are crazy.

If a 60th overall draft pick from the most recent draft jumps into your top ten it doesn't say much about the status of the current prospects.

Red Menace · 07-09-2015, 09:42 AM

perhaps we should just do this list in order that guys were picked in the draft....

codynw · 07-09-2015, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

perhaps we should just do this list in order that guys were picked in the draft....

What has he done to show that he's a top prospect?

Five-hole · 07-09-2015, 09:48 AM

This fervent disagreement is a good thing. It shows depth in my opinion. Despite having our elite group of young players already graduated (Gaudreau / Monahan / Bennett up front and Brodie / Hamilton in the back), we have a really strong group of next-tier prospects that should keep a youthful suffusion of talent incoming for the next little while.

Went Klimchuk, but could definitely make a case for Hickey, Wotherspoon, Granlund, the two Swede Ds, and even McDonald.

Enoch Root · 07-09-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

Kylington's not even going to make the top 10 at this rate....you guys are crazy.

Kylington has all kinds of potential.

But he is also raw , and there are still a couple question marks.

When he shows some progression towards his potential, I have no doubt he will skyrocket up the list (wouldn't be surprised if he jumps into top 5 next year).

But until that progression begins to actually happen, he is not a top 10 prospect.

The Fonz · 07-09-2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Ok?

I don't agree. He played over half of last season and didn't look out of place. I think he's an NHL player now. He may be pushed back to the AHL but it will be due to the team's depth and his two way contract, not because he doesn't belong.

Well you're certainly free to define "prospect" in any way you choose, but choosing to use a different metric than the one laid out in the OP of Round 1 sort of defeats the purpose. Atleast for your vote.

Brewmaster · 07-09-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

perhaps we should just do this list in order that guys were picked in the draft....

For the guys that were drafted this year, draft order is probably the best metric for where they rank as prospects. Kylington may turn into a top prospect, but as of today there are 59 players that were picked ahead of him by the scouts of 30 NHL teams. That is a pretty good indication of where he ranks among his peers.

Yanda · 07-09-2015, 10:02 AM

disgusted by the Granlund hate.

The Fonz · 07-09-2015, 10:03 AM

Yeah, I'm as excited about Kylington as anyone else, but I'd have a hard time ranking him ahead of Andersson less than 2 weeks after our own amateur scouting staff had Andersson ranked as a higher priority.

The Fonz · 07-09-2015, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

disgusted by the Granlund hate.

Did I miss something?

Five-hole · 07-09-2015, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

disgusted by the Granlund hate.

What "hate"? Jeez.

neo45 · 07-09-2015, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Kylington has all kinds of potential.

But he is also raw , and there are still a couple question marks.

When he shows some progression towards his potential, I have no doubt he will skyrocket up the list (wouldn't be surprised if he jumps into top 5 next year).

But until that progression begins to actually happen, he is not a top 10 prospect.

To me it makes total sense for the Jankowski voters to vote for Kylington next. Both players have huge upside but are very raw. Depends what a poster values in a prospect, which is what makes these polls interesting.

Also, last year Smith beat out MacDonald despite being drafted later than him that year, so it's not unheard of for a guy to finish ahead of a guy who was just drafted before him.

But I am voting Granlund and have been since Poirer was on the board. He has just been too successful playing against better competition than these other prospects. The guy has been good in every league so far

wingmaker · 07-09-2015, 10:07 AM

Granlund hate?

I don't see it that way at all. The Flames have a much deeper defensive depth and for me I think that there should be a defenseman as a top prospect. Hickey seems like the best of the bunch. Plus you have two goalies that everyone is pretty high on and a couple of forwards who show real promise. I personally probably would have put Granlund ahead of Jankowski but overall I think it is just that he has fallen down the list. Other prospects have improved immensely and show tantalizing upside. Granlund could still end up being the best of the bunch, but he didn't show as much this past year as Ferland, Hickey, Gillies, etc. That's why this is so much fun, because you get to compare how CP thinks about prospects from year to year.

DiracSpike · 07-09-2015, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-hole

This fervent disagreement is a good thing. It shows depth in my opinion. Despite having our elite group of young players already graduated (Gaudreau / Monahan / Bennett up front and Brodie / Hamilton in the back), we have a really strong group of next-tier prospects that should keep a youthful suffusion of talent incoming for the next little while.

Went Klimchuk, but could definitely make a case for Hickey, Wotherspoon, Granlund, the two Swede Ds, and even McDonald.

Absolutely. As far as rebuilds go I would say the Flames have completed phase 1, which is the establishment of a good young core. With Brodie, Hamilton, Monahan, JG, and Bennet we have, in my opinion, an elite young core that should be able to carry this franchise on their talent.
Phase 2, once our core has been signed, is Cap management that is helped greatly by the addition of cheap servicable players on ELC's and bridge deals. It would be great if some of the guys we are arguing over now become stars but I doubt any of them will, and the best part is none of them have to. Swapping Jankowski in for Stajan, or Hickey in for Wideman is key, and what will allow the Flames to remain competitive and below the cap. Our group of servicable second tier prospects that can be cheaply inserted into the lineup is one of the organizational strengths right now, it's also something a team like the Oilers doesnt have that will end up hurting them.

Enoch Root · 07-09-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by neo45

To me it makes total sense for the Jankowski voters to vote for Kylington next. Both players have huge upside but are very raw. Depends what a poster values in a prospect, which is what makes these polls interesting.

Also, last year Smith beat out MacDonald despite being drafted later than him that year, so it's not unheard of for a guy to finish ahead of a guy who was just drafted before him.

But I am voting Granlund and have been since Poirer was on the board. He has just been too successful playing against better competition than these other prospects. The guy has been good in every league so far

Agree with what you're saying but for me, the difference is that Jankowski showed some real progression last year.

Remember, he didn't crack the top 10 in the prior 2 years (too raw), but now that he is showing more legitimacy, he has moved up.

flame^thrower · 07-09-2015, 10:15 AM

Granlund again for me. I don't necessarily feel bad for him, more excited because we have prospects that are making this poll extremely interesting. And that has more to do with their potential than anything.