[PGT] Capitals down Flames 5-2 - March 18th, 2023

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by jg13

Either play Coronato more than 8 minutes a night or send him back down.

He had a couple of nice plays to set up his linemates. I certainly cannot justify keeping him on the 4th line behind Dryden Hunt. That guy did nothing all game long. Seriously, think back....do you remember him even playing?

I also needed to say that Backlund had maybe the worst game I've seen from him all year. Awful effort and decision making all night. Hope to see better from him next game. The effort thing in particular needs to be better since he's the captain.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Latest pgt ever?

A full year late!

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I thought it was commonly agreed around CP that the Flames don't have any high-end talent.

So who do you put on your power play? Your high-end talent, if you've got it. If you have none, it's going to be ugly no matter what.

Maybe blaming the PP coach isn't the way to go here. Just saying.

Flames are 14th in 5v5 goals scored. But 30th on the PP. How is there enough skill to be mid pack at 5v5 and not enough to be mid pack on the PP?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Shocking that a team with not a lot of good high quality shooters is struggling on the powerplay. News at 11. If the Flames had those guys they'd be in the playoffs. If they had those guys they wouldn't have traded off the UFA's.

Its the reason why they are missing the playoffs and needing to rebuild.

They need to find those shooters in the draft.

Flames are 14th in 5v5 goals. How is that possible if they are completely devoid of skill?

And if they have this massive skill defect (to mid pack) then why not simplify the PP? Work the puck to the point, blast away and dig for rebounds.

Coaching won't turn the Flames into a contender, but a mid pack PP has them in a wild card spot.

[1qqaaz]

As per MoneyPuck, the Flames' playoff chances are down to 1.4% after last night's loss.

[skcli]

Nothing new. mMove on to Saturday. Canucks will give us another 2 loser points

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Flames are 14th in 5v5 goals scored. But 30th on the PP. How is there enough skill to be mid pack at 5v5 and not enough to be mid pack on the PP?

Depth.

The team has three lines that can score, but nothing you could describe as a bona fide first line.

It also doesn't help that the team's current best goal scorer, Coleman, has heavy defensive responsibilities at even strength and also plays the PK. He's 9th among forwards still on the team in PP time.

Originally Posted by Infinit47

And if they have this massive skill defect (to mid pack) then why not simplify the PP? Work the puck to the point, blast away and dig for rebounds.

There's a very good reason why you seldom see teams ‘blast away’ from the point anymore. Those shots are far too easy for a goalie to see, and if he can see them, he can stop them.

[robertsfanatic]

not the best effort and the Caps got some timely saves...oh well, on to the next one.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I look at the roster they have now, and I see a total of two players who ought to be on the first PP unit on an NHL team. Scotty Bowman couldn't construct a winning power play with this roster.

I don't get this line of thinking. Coaches can and should be held accountable too... Savard's entire job is to run an effective PP unit, and it's been this teams biggest failure for the entirety of the season.

The San Jose Sharks have a 20.5% PP for god sakes, and their leading goal scorer has 18 goals.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There's a very good reason why you seldom see teams ‘blast away’ from the point anymore. Those shots are far too easy for a goalie to see, and if he can see them, he can stop them.

Ot they miss the net for a self clear (that happened in the Flames favour a couple times the game before). Or the windup takes too long and they get blocked. People remember Stone's goals but blocks and misses were a lot more frequent. Anyway Moromanov has a hell of a shot so he may take a few to keep the D honest.

The big problem is (once again) a lack of goalie movement being forced. Ovie's second goal was a classic cross ice pass. The Flames never try for a back door or one timer. Or when they do the recipient isn't ready. Or is covered because they haven't done a good ojb of getting into a soft spot.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Depth.

The team has three lines that can score, but nothing you could describe as a bona fide first line.

It also doesn't help that the team's current best goal scorer, Coleman, has heavy defensive responsibilities at even strength and also plays the PK. He's 9th among forwards still on the team in PP time.

There's a very good reason why you seldom see teams ‘blast away’ from the point anymore. Those shots are far too easy for a goalie to see, and if he can see them, he can stop them.

So better to not even get a shot on goal than try to get shots through from the point? Teams collapse and allow the Flames to fiddle along the boards and blue line because we never keep them honest and fire pucks into traffic.

Regardless of whether it is yhe best way to run a PP, we are 65 games in and Savard's plan sucks. What is the harm in trying something different.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I don't get this line of thinking. Coaches can and should be held accountable too... Savard's entire job is to run an effective PP unit, and it's been this teams biggest failure for the entirety of the season.

There are always fans who think the solution to any problem on a team is to fire a coach. They're usually wrong.

Do you, in fact, know that Savard is not responsible for anything but the power play?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Depth.

The team has three lines that can score, but nothing you could describe as a bona fide first line.

It also doesn't help that the team's current best goal scorer, Coleman, has heavy defensive responsibilities at even strength and also plays the PK. He's 9th among forwards still on the team in PP time.



There's a very good reason why you seldom see teams ‘blast away’ from the point anymore. Those shots are far too easy for a goalie to see, and if he can see them, he can stop them.

Not sure what elite goal scoring Seattle, NYI, LA, SJ have that the Flames don't. Because they have significantly better PP's.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There are always fans who think the solution to any problem on a team is to fire a coach. They're usually wrong.

Do you, in fact, know that Savard is not responsible for anything but the power play?

We are talking about one very specific and glaring issue that is this coaches primary responsibility though. It's a results driven business. How else should we evaluate him?

For example.. 251 NHL players have played over 100 minutes on the PP this season. Mikael Backlund ranks 247th among those players in points/60. Why is he averaging nearly two minutes a night on the PP when he has proven to be completely ineffective in that role?

Why hasn't a kid like Pelletier who has 18 PP goals in 100 AHL games not been given a look?

I don't think it's unreasonable to question certain coaching decisions.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am more concerned about effort levels, the new additions to the roster and how the youth overall are coming along than I am about wins, losses and PP%.


This team has just sold off a lot of players. It is a miracle that they are able to be competitive. Huska and Backlund deserve a lot of credit for keeping the players at least looking hungry out there and simply not mailing it in.


This team finds itself in this situation simply because there isn't enough high-end talent. That's why they are rebuilding. I am not ready to point at Savard as a problem in any way right now.



I am just going to enjoy these spirited losses as they come. It is hard to watch a game and actually cheer for a loss, but I hope this team does lose the majority of the remainder on schedule, but does so at least with some spirit. There is still lots to watch about this team.



We all watch for different reasons, so don't take this as me admonishing anyone in any way. Maybe I should expect more out of a team that has just ripped the band-aid off and entered into a rebuild. Maybe my own personal expectations are too low at the moment. That's a fine rebuttal. I just personally don't see a point in worrying about things that, quite frankly, SHOULD be bad right now, and have been bad for a while. If they were good, we would be getting ready for playoffs.

[NewFan]

I think it's the time to give some veteran players maintenance days or day to day off days and call up or play Pelletier, Klapka, Schwindt, Damiani, Jones, Kerins, Solovyov, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov and Poirier. Use the last games for development and test for the young guys.
I will be happy if we win games with those young guys rather than with the current roster.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think it's the time to give some veteran players maintenance days or day to day off days and call up or play Pelletier, Klapka, Schwindt, Damiani, Jones, Kerins, Solovyov, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov and Poirier. Use the last games for development and test for the young guys.
I will be happy if we win games with those young guys rather than with the current roster.

That will likely start happenning, now that the Flames playoff chances are near 0. The other thing we will see here though is the Flames load up the Wranglers for a playoff run.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think it's the time to give some veteran players maintenance days or day to day off days and call up or play Pelletier, Klapka, Schwindt, Damiani, Jones, Kerins, Solovyov, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov and Poirier. Use the last games for development and test for the young guys.
I will be happy if we win games with those young guys rather than with the current roster.

There are only 2 non-emergency call ups left for the rest of the year. We’ll need to prioritize who we will get those call ups.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

That will likely start happenning, now that the Flames playoff chances are near 0. The other thing we will see here though is the Flames load up the Wranglers for a playoff run.

They could waive Huberdeau (with his permission) and he could light it up with Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pospisil. I don't think anyone would grab him and if they did - OK. Could probably do the same with Mangiapane (no permission needed).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They could waive Huberdeau (with his permission) and he could light it up with Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pospisil. I don't think anyone would grab him and if they did - OK. Could probably do the same with Mangiapane (no permission needed).

And Hubby would waive why? Seriously?