[News] Monahan knows what's on the line this season: 'I have a lot to prove'

[Jaydee]

Maybe he's just having an off year and can rebound? Remember when people were calling Johnny past his prime a few years ago and Ovechkin's one season

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Maybe he's just having an off year and can rebound? Remember when people were calling Johnny past his prime a few years ago and Ovechkin's one season

He’s been bad for several years. He was definitely bringing Johnny down when they were playing together. Johnny basically had to play with two plugs last year. That is, until Sutter put him with Lindholm and Tkachuk.

[powderjunkie]

2013-2021 reg / playoff
Goals per: 2.81 / 2.72
PPO: 3.04 / 3.22

Somewhat surprising, but there are a few plausible explanations:
1. Game intensity dramatically increases - the total amount of 'fouls' probably goes way up since every inch of ice is contested...the rate of calls per foul probably goes down, but not enough to reduce the overall rate.
2. More game mgmt / even up calls?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Maybe he's just having an off year and can rebound?

We've been saying that for a few seasons now

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Stats from what period to what period? From which era to which era? I’m not old enough to have seen 80’s hockey or even much 90’s hockey. Was it the same way back then as well? I don’t know. So I wouldn’t even know where to begin to compile stats of any kind that would prove my point.

For me, as in my opinion, it makes sense logically though. In the regular season, just a tap on the pants can get a call, in the playoffs, not so much. So powerplay minutes, equals less chances, equals less goals and it also means more 5 on 5 minutes. Also, theres no 3 on 3 overtime in the playoffs, so that right there may very well answer the question. 5 on 5 production is king.

Also, to swing it around, do you have stats that back up your “special teams wins in the playoffs?” After all, the Flames were 37.5% on the powerplay in that series and they were swept.

I was quoting the cliche, not making a claim.

and not having 3 on 3 is irrelevant.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

2013-2021 reg / playoff
Goals per: 2.81 / 2.72
PPO: 3.04 / 3.22

Somewhat surprising, but there are a few plausible explanations:
1. Game intensity dramatically increases - the total amount of 'fouls' probably goes way up since every inch of ice is contested...the rate of calls per foul probably goes down, but not enough to reduce the overall rate.
2. More game mgmt / even up calls?

IMO, this is it.

Game management has always been a thing. Refs have always felt that the number of penalties should be about even for each team, and the total number of penalties should remain around 3 or 4 each. Regardless of the actual number of infractions.

This was actually a primary tenet of Fred Shiro's design of the Broad Street Bullies. He knew that, no matter how much they gooned it up, that the refs would call about 3 or 4 penalties to each team. So his team was free to goon it up as much as they wanted, without any real punity.

It got him 2 cups.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Maybe he's just having an off year and can rebound? Remember when people were calling Johnny past his prime a few years ago and Ovechkin's one season

Monahan had a terrible season last year and this one is worse. If Monahan was a two-way player capable of handing things in his own end when he wasn't scoring you'd at least accept that but he's just bad, in all aspects.

[TheChief]

I dont mind Goon Sean Monahan. (but just no penaltys please)

[djsFlames]

nm

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I was quoting the cliche, not making a claim.

and not having 3 on 3 is irrelevant.

I don’t think it’s irrelevant because overtime doesn’t end until a goal is scored. It’s not unusual to see 20 minutes of straight 5 on 5 hockey in double/triple overtime. That’s why 5 on 5 is king, because if your team ends up playing 100+ minutes of hockey that night and 95% of that hockey is played at even strength, then your 5 on 5 game has to be excellent on both ends of the ice.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying that powerplay scoring isn’t important. But to me, I’ll take the guy who’s great at even strength over the great power play specialist because your ability at even strength carries more weight in the post season.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

He’s been bad for several years. He was definitely bringing Johnny down when they were playing together. Johnny basically had to play with two plugs last year. That is, until Sutter put him with Lindholm and Tkachuk.

Exactly. It’s startling clear now that Johnnys slump last year was probably due to having to carry Monahan all season.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Exactly. It’s startling clear now that Johnnys slump last year was probably due to having to carry Monahan all season.

I think he’s made some very clear adjustments to his game
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging he wasn’t playing as well last season.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think he’s made some very clear adjustments to his game
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging he wasn’t playing as well last season.

Sutter made the comment last week that when he went to LA, they were a dump it in team that needed to learn how to play a possession game.

IMO this is where Johnny is thriving and his linemates are better suited to compliment a puck possession style.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think he’s made some very clear adjustments to his game
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging he wasn’t playing as well last season.

100% he did. He still had to do all the heavy lifting offensively though. No help from his two line mates.