That's a funny page. Pay us $1330 now! No indication of how much per sq/ft or installation costs, or dates, or how much power you can expect, just pay us! What a time to be alive. Do people actually do this? Give a company a bunch of money with little to no idea of any details, just for the privilege of being a beta tester?
Not sure why you are reacting like this. There is pricing information available as well as more details on how they work.
As Flash indicated the deposit is refundable.
Considering the strength of the tiles/shingles, it almost seems like a no brainer. Have to think it will also significantly increase the value of our home, especially in 10-15 years when solar is really popular on homes.
Not sure why you are reacting like this. There is pricing information available as well as more details on how they work.
As Flash indicated the deposit is refundable.
Considering the strength of the tiles/shingles, it almost seems like a no brainer. Have to think it will also significantly increase the value of our home, especially in 10-15 years when solar is really popular on homes.
Well I couldn't find it on their site. From what Bossy22 posted, you have to pay the deposit before you can access the calculator.
I do think it is a good idea, I just think paying a deposit for an unknown total cost is silly.
Considering the strength of the tiles/shingles, it almost seems like a no brainer. Have to think it will also significantly increase the value of our home,
It depends, not everybody is going to want to pay for a house where 30-40% of its original costs was tied to the the roof.
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especially in 10-15 years when solar is really popular on homes.
At which time, the solar of the future may very well devalue current panels. Or where if Alberta reduces the value of net-metering or goes to time of day pricing, the economics of home solar collapses.
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It depends, not everybody is going to want to pay for a house where 30-40% of its original costs was tied to the the roof.
At which time, the solar of the future may very well devalue current panels. Or where if Alberta reduces the value of net-metering or goes to time of day pricing, the economics of home solar collapses.
So much stupidity, so little time. Notice the thing in their drawings called the Tesla wall? Complete off the grid solution where your grid connection only provides on-demand backup power. Net-metering is irrelevant.
So much stupidity, so little time. Notice the thing in their drawings called the Tesla wall?
14 kWh, C$8750. Even if you go through 3000 cycles at the full 14 kWh (which will likely kill the battery prematurely) that is a cost of 20.8c/kWh just to store electricity.
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Complete off the grid solution where your grid connection only provides on-demand backup power. Net-metering is irrelevant.
How can it be an off the grid solution when you're still on the grid?
As a former roofer I may be biased, but I always laughed when Elon suggested it would be as affordable as a regular roof. And I'm a Musk fanboi.
These roofs are crazy unaffordable. They estimated the average cost of a asphalt roof around 6$, in Calgary for example it's around half of that. They also took 13.7 cent per KWH as their price of electricity, in Calgary it's currently 3 cents.
They also estimated the cost with only 35% of the tiles being solar generating, but when doing the electricity estimates they used 50% of the tiles being solar producing.
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. Previously, Consumer Reports had determined that a textured glass tile solar roof should cost no more than $73,500, including installation, to be competitive with an asphalt roof. That price factors in the about $2,000 a year a household would save on electricity bills in some of the country's more favorable solar markets, such as California, Texas and North Carolina.
Let's say your typical roof costs 8500(higher then the Calgary average). That means you've invested a extra 65,000 for a 2,000 yearly return? That's a pretty paltry 3% return. And that's in the sunny southern states, returns are gonna be even worse for northern/cloudy/neighboorhoods with lots of high trees.
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Two-thirds of all new models is not the same thing as two-thirds of vehicles available for sale.
Ah, one of those guys. Getting crushed by reality so have to resort to semantics.
Tinordi said 2/3 or all new vehicles they sell. That means 2/3 of units sold, that being a transaction of sale between a dealer and a consumer, will be of new energy technologies. Seems pretty straight forward.
Exactly. In other words, they can sell as many Equinoxes and Malibus as they want provided that they don't introduce a bunch of new gas-powered cars. I'm not even sure how often GM comes out with a new model... you'd think they could just keep re-packaging what they sell now ad nauseum. Even if they discontinued a model in the USA, they could just keep selling it in China. It's a pretty easy commitment to skirt.
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I think the key with the roof tiles are the incentives. For Californians, great, for Albertans, not so much. If I were building a new home, I would be installing these, but that's 5 years away.
I have a friend in Marda Loop who already has solar, and he's ordered a couple of powerwalls.
Exactly. In other words, they can sell as many Equinoxes and Malibus as they want provided that they don't introduce a bunch of new gas-powered cars. I'm not even sure how often GM comes out with a new model... you'd think they could just keep re-packaging what they sell now ad nauseum.
Usually it's about 5-7 years for a completely new design so GM may only have a few new models total by 2020 with a couple that are EV or hybrid (or maybe just have EV/hybrid variants).
I guess what I mean is that I don't actually know what qualifies as a "new model". Every few years a car undergoes a new design - a 2005 equinox looks different from a 2015 Equinox. Does that redesign create a new "model"? Thinking about when I bought my SUV, they sold an RX330, RX350 and RX400h, which had only minor differences and you basically couldn't tell them apart. Are those three different "models" because they have slightly different names?
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I guess what I mean is that I don't actually know what qualifies as a "new model". Every few years a car undergoes a new design - a 2005 equinox looks different from a 2015 Equinox. Does that redesign create a new "model"? Thinking about when I bought my SUV, they sold an RX330, RX350 and RX400h, which had only minor differences and you basically couldn't tell them apart. Are those three different "models" because they have slightly different names?
Yeah that makes sense, the term new model and GM's statement is vague enough that they could twist to it mean almost anything. It could be (using the Lexus example) as introducing a gas powered RX350, then the hybrid RX400h then a plugin-hybrid version and that might count as two-thirds.
He's a big proponent of renewable energy and ev technology. His roof is covered in solar. He owns a Roadster and a Model X. He knows the powerwalls won't fully support his home, but if it can contribute a small percentage, he will support the technology. In his view, as people support the technology, it brings the costs down over time as well as keeps the development going. He has no problem being the first gen buyer. His Roadster was. His old Model S was. And he was able to buy a founders Model X because of his support.
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Two-thirds of all new models is not the same thing as two-thirds of vehicles available for sale.
And how many 'thirds' of the 2014 GM model lineup in china were new energy? Probably zero. The point is not that the absolute number as much as it is the rate of change. And 2020 is only 3 years out.
I think within 5 years we will know whether EV's are more iPhone or more google glass.
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