Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Travis ‘economic diversification is a luxury we can’t afford in Alberta’ Toews won’t be running again.

Spoiler!

As more of these Kenney Conservatives resign, the party is rapidly turning towards being 100% crazy far right Libertarian. The transformation is almost complete.

[Harry Lime]

Couple of things. I'm not saying that the trends wouldn't change, but tortures graph ends in 2015. That's a big omission of time.

Also, toes was the 'better' alternative to Smith in the last 'election of the willing', or whatever it was. He made a political desicion by praying for it. Every single person in the ucp should not be in a position of power. What a bunch of goofs.

[fotze2]

Righties ignore Danielle Smiths ######ism and lefties ignore Trudeaus idiocy.

This is how it shall be and will always be, don't question it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Righties ignore Danielle Smiths ######ism and lefties ignore Trudeaus idiocy.

This is how it shall be and will always be, don't question it.

Rational people dislike both.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

As more of these Kenney Conservatives resign, the party is rapidly turning towards being 100% crazy far right Libertarian. The transformation is almost complete.

Basically seems like the UCP is trending back to become the Wildrose Party while those left out will need a center-right entity to support. This is the gap and opportunity that the Alberta Party should be looking to fill.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by GGG

Rational people dislike both.

and do I ever!

[Muta]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's times like this that I miss Greg Clark. He would have been such an awesome leader for this province.

Also, #### Danielle Smith for wanting to be able to 'direct' AHS. Stay the #### away from our healthcare you inexperienced, corrupt charlatan. You know #### all about a proper healthcare system. People's health isn't a ####ing video game you can play with.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by GGG

Rational people dislike both.

there are levels of dislike that should apply here, based on quantity and quality of transgressions.

[TheIronMaiden]

What is the "conservative movement"?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Basically seems like the UCP is trending back to become the Wildrose Party while those left out will need a center-right entity to support. This is the gap and opportunity that the Alberta Party should be looking to fill.

It is far too tough to raise a proper third party in a two party system where both sides feel diametrically opposed to one another.

If a centrist voter isn't comfortable with one party winning, then he/she will gravitate towards the other in the hopes of picking the lesser of two evils. I don't see where an Alberta Party (or a centrist party of another name) gains ground outside of potentially taking Calgary, leaving the rural areas and Edmonton to go their respective ways. At least for the short term, moderates have lost voters who will vote NDP rather than see this lunatic win; or moderates who will vote UCP rather than see the NDP get in again.

Take Back Alberta was clever. They took over the party apparatus of an established party. The best thing moderates/centrists can do is to try to take it back:

(1) moderates need to vote NDP (or not vote in large numbers). You will be a very hard time taking over a party with established incumbents and a winning record (TBA did so with the fall of Kenny which was sort of an election in itself)

(2) there needs to be some type of PAC or banner to rally behind so that moderates know who to vote for in the riding associations

(3) get engaged in the riding association level and start voting for candidates that align with that banner. Riding associations are notoriously under-voted and it can take a small amount of new voters to influence those votes.

(4) With enough new moderate candidates, the real fight begins to oust TBA from the party board and other areas of the party.

This isnt easy, but it's at least been proven to be effective as opposed to starting a new party or having one of the third parties come through the middle.

[Locke]

Good Lord...

Smith shouldnt be 'directing' the operation of a lemonade stand much less AHS.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It is far too tough to raise a proper third party in a two party system where both sides feel diametrically opposed to one another.

If a centrist voter isn't comfortable with one party winning, then he/she will gravitate towards the other in the hopes of picking the lesser of two evils. I don't see where an Alberta Party (or a centrist party of another name) gains ground outside of potentially taking Calgary, leaving the rural areas and Edmonton to go their respective ways. At least for the short term, moderates have lost voters who will vote NDP rather than see this lunatic win; or moderates who will vote UCP rather than see the NDP get in again.

Maybe I'm being too pragmatic but I don't think that we are stuck with being a two party system and we do have room for 3, 4 or 5 parties within our legislature. 2015 was a glorious time where we actually had 5 parties represented in the legislature and that is actually good for the citizens. We need our government working across party lines and listening to differing voices via coalitions. We can have a right party (UCP/Wildrose or whatever), a left party (NDP/Liberal or whatever, a center party (Alberta Party or whatever), a Green or other specialized party, a socialist/labour party, etc.

For your centrist voting options you omitted a third and fourth choice where the voter doesn't bother going to the polls and casting a ballot or they throw away their vote on a fringe candidate or spoil their ballot.

[powderjunkie]

Alberta may have to return $130M in unspent federal funding for oil and gas well cleanup

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Alberta may have to return $130M in unspent federal funding for oil and gas well cleanup

Symptom of rushing out a poor program instead of taking the time to set something up properly.

Though I expect the Feds to allow them to keep it and continue the work on First Nations land.

[Dion]

Here's a few examples of why Question Period in the AB legislature is a colossal waste of time. I watch it on occasion and the article is right. They don't answer questions but rather insult each other like grade school children

Alberta legislature wraps up with attacks, insults; next stop is May 29 election

The Opposition NDP lambasted Premier Danielle Smith's United Conservative Party government for hiking fees, fighting with doctors, proposing royalty breaks for oil companies, firing educational support staff, breaking COVID-19 rules and failing to deliver promised economic stimulus to Calgary.

The UCP fired back, saying they saved Alberta after four years of disastrous NDP government that featured massive deficits, credit downgrades, nanny state rules and shameless kowtowing to Ottawa — all topped by a surprise consumer carbon tax.

“What a woeful group of provocateurs,” Energy Minister Peter Guthrie told the house as he squared off with NDP MLA Heather Sweet.

“The activist mentality of the NDP have a target: to end fossil fuel production.”

Sweet shot back: “Our record is (we delivered) one pipeline. UCP (delivered) zero pipelines.”

Finance Minister Travis Toews told the house Alberta’s economy is back in the black despite intrusive retrograde federal rules imposed with the quiet complicity of Rachel Notley's NDP.

“I call on the members opposite to stand with the government on this side of the house against the Trudeau-Singh alliance which is pushing our nation’s economy backwards,” said Toews.

“We’re doing everything we can to position Alberta for competitiveness, investment attraction and growth.”

Where’s the promised growth in Calgary, former NDP finance minister Joe Ceci needled Toews, citing high downtown vacancy rates.

“Why has the UCP spent the last four years holding Calgary back?”

“Every time the minister rises I’m afraid of another credit downgrade,” Toews shot back, echoing previous UCP taunts mocking Ceci as “Alberta’s worst finance minister.”

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...a5e31b46&ei=89

[Harry Lime]

The NDP is a centrist party. They turned to that halfway through their last mandate, and that's where they are now. They are farther right than the federal liberals. They should change their name.

[Muta]

“We’re doing everything we can to position Alberta for competitiveness, investment attraction and growth.”

Hey Travis, you sure about that? Solar and renewables are gaining massive popularity in this province, no less than within the brilliant minds of some of our biggest energy giants here too. Maybe update your delusional leader on the dangerous of using myopic, investment-adverse rhetoric in her 'business-friendly' diatribes.

[Misterpants]

Originally Posted by Dion

Here's a few examples of why Question Period in the AB legislature is a colossal waste of time. I watch it on occasion and the article is right. They don't answer questions but rather insult each other like grade school children

Alberta legislature wraps up with attacks, insults; next stop is May 29 election







https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...a5e31b46&ei=89

Why do we even have this silly performative theatre anymore? Maybe once upon a time when parties actually had discussions to try and build support for their ideas it was required but at this point it's little more than a poorly done roast battle. What a waste of public money to have politicians and their staff burning the midnight oil coming up with yo' mama jokes.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The NDP is a centrist party. They turned to that halfway through their last mandate, and that's where they are now. They are farther right than the federal liberals. They should change their name.

I mean, this is so true.

You want to vote Alberta Party, the NDP essentially jacked most of their platform

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well... Yeah. "Trudeau liberal interference by China", as you so eloquently put it, is in fact also a bad thing. More than one thing can be bad at once, news at 11.

Agreed.

As it stands NDP is the least worst option federally and provincially.