[Game Takes] Game 4: Oilers 5 Flames 3 (Oilers up 3-1 in series)

[Wastedyouth]

Lol,

Its playoffs, anything can happen.

To pretend that one of the best teams in the entire NHL is now crap, it hilariously short sighted.

Toronto out, Florida swept. Good teams have bad playoffs.

The Flames made the second round, its about building year over year not putting your entire plan on one season.

It was a great year, maybe it will go another game or two, but if it doesn't im not going to be upset.

Those of you lamenting the last year and these playoffs need to chill the F out.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Only one team wins the Cup each season. I don't think that means the 31 other teams need to rebuild.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Or did Tkachuk disappear after his dad refused to throw his hat?

Just kidding

I still struggle with this player. Can't ignore a 100 point season but he's just not effective in the playoffs. I feel his skating is exposed in the playoffs where the tempo is increased. He's never going to become a better skater so I just don't know if he's ever going to be a playoff player so what do you do with him? He's good enough to help you get to the playoffs but his efforts kind of end there. Tough decision for the organization and for him as well as it's not working for him here in the playoffs.

[chedder]

Johnny 2 assists Iast three games.

Chucky 1 assist in last three games.

Not much else needs to be said.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I still struggle with this player. Can't ignore a 100 point season but he's just not effective in the playoffs. I feel his skating is exposed in the playoffs where the tempo is increased. He's never going to become a better skater so I just don't know if he's ever going to be a playoff player so what do you do with him? He's good enough to help you get to the playoffs but his efforts kind of end there. Tough decision for the organization and for him as well as it's not working for him here in the playoffs.

There was an interesting fan question on the Athletic podcast the other day.
Tkachuk for #2 overall. Which team does it?

I think the contract considerations probably means NJ doesn't. But it still is an interesting thought exercise.

I'm still of the mind to re-sign Johnny if he'll sign here, and then trade out Tkachuk and possibly Eat Bread.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Markstrom this year against the Oilers

Gm1: 0.786sv% - W Flames scored 9 and Oiler's goalies 0.700% & 0.865%
Gm2: 0.875sv% - L
Gm3: 0.882sv% - L
Gm4: 0.840sv% - L

Mar 27: 0.839% - W Flames scored 9 and Oiler's goalies 0.583% & 0.846%
Mar 8: 0.964% - W
Jan 23: 0.867% - L
Oct 17: 0.875% - L

We probably should only have one win out of the 8 with that goal tending against the Oilers. The teams pretty good to have won three this year

This. Markström has played 13 regular season games against the Oilers in a Flames jersey with a combined SV% of .884. I don't know what happened when he became a Flame, probably just overthinking it. He did just fine against the Oilers when he was tending for Vancouver.

The Flames haven't been at their best and yes there have been defensive breakdown, but those numbers are atrocious and totally backed up by the old eyeball test.

I don't understand why we're even talking about this when there's another perfectly decent goalie on the team who hasn't been given a chance to show what he's got. Carolina is doing just fine with their backup. The Flames do not deserve to be down 3-1.

Markström is a fine goalie, but he can't give us a chance to win right now.

EDIT:
Honestly this is some pretty terrible coaching. The staff should have been aware of this issue, so it can't come as a surprise to them. I get letting Markström try to get out the jitters in the regular season and maybe in the first couple of games, but after that there's no excuse, Vladar should have been given a chance.

Yeah maybe he doesn't help, but maybe he does. Unless I'm mistaken, Vladar has never played against the Oilers.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There was an interesting fan question on the Athletic podcast the other day.
Tkachuk for #2 overall. Which team does it?

I think the contract considerations probably means NJ doesn't. But it still is an interesting thought exercise.

I'm still of the mind to re-sign Johnny if he'll sign here, and then trade out Tkachuk and possibly Eat Bread.

That's my mindset. I think Gaudreau is more of an offensive driver for this team and Tkachuk is a really good complementary player and not worth what he's ultimately going to want in a contract. The moment he loses even half a step I feel his career will be compromised. As for Mangiapane, he's found money so if the opportunity presents itself to sell high I think you do it. I like the player but he's a hot/cold goal scorer that doesn't accomplish much when he's not scoring and I think he's not going to be nearly as attractive a player once he gets paid and he's going to get paid because of his 30 goal season.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There was an interesting fan question on the Athletic podcast the other day.
Tkachuk for #2 overall. Which team does it?

I think the contract considerations probably means NJ doesn't. But it still is an interesting thought exercise.

I'm still of the mind to re-sign Johnny if he'll sign here, and then trade out Tkachuk and possibly Eat Bread.

Keep bread if he signs a contract meant for a 20 goal scorer.

Whichever of Gaudreau or Tkachuk fetches the better deal, move him.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Keep bread if he signs a contract meant for a 20 goal scorer.

Whichever of Gaudreau or Tkachuk fetches the better deal, move him.

You mean trade Gaudreau’s rights prior to July 1?

[PuckSlap]

Most of agree that Kane, is an absolute piece of trash. But the fact that he’s doing his job and scoring goals, and our guys aren’t…. I don’t care about his past, I want to win. Flames signed a bunch guys that just aren’t doing what he’s doing. Not enough desperation

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There was an interesting fan question on the Athletic podcast the other day.

Tkachuk for #2 overall. Which team does it?



I think the contract considerations probably means NJ doesn't. But it still is an interesting thought exercise.



I'm still of the mind to re-sign Johnny if he'll sign here, and then trade out Tkachuk and possibly Eat Bread.

I don't get the question. The only team that can do this is New Jersey as they have the number 2 pick.

If they're willing to do this you take it all day long. We only have Chucky for one year unless he wants to sign long term. So, unfortunately, he holds all the cards. If he wanted to go to Jersey for 8 years you could do a sign and trade I think.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

You mean trade Gaudreau’s rights prior to July 1?

I think there's some value in that. A sign and trade could also work. But Calgary will need to take on some dead weight.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by chedder

I don't get the question. The only team that can do this is New Jersey as they have the number 2 pick.
.

Right. So the question is:
Does NJ say yes?
Does Calgary say yes?

That was the framing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Right. So the question is:
Does NJ say yes?
Does Calgary say yes?

That was the framing.

More importantly would Tkachuk want to exent with the Devils? Any potential trade will hinge on his willingness to sign long term. I don't know if that's a desirable location.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

More importantly would Tkachuk want to exent with the Devils? Any potential trade will hinge on his willingness to sign long term. I don't know if that's a desirable location.

Totally agree. I don't think it's a realistic thing at all. More a thought exercise.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Right. So the question is:

Does NJ say yes?

Does Calgary say yes?



That was the framing.

Ah. I'd guess Calgary would say yes, Jersey would say no and wouldn't Matthew have a say?

I thought Matthew can say he will only sign for 1 year 9 million then be ufa in one year. If that happens Calgary will have to find a trading partner and see what they can salvage this summer. Matthew would have to be willing to sign long term and play in Jersey for them to give up 2nd pick.

It is interesting thought just highly unlikely.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Lol,

Its playoffs, anything can happen.

To pretend that one of the best teams in the entire NHL is now crap, it hilariously short sighted.

Toronto out, Florida swept. Good teams have bad playoffs.

The Flames made the second round, its about building year over year not putting your entire plan on one season.

It was a great year, maybe it will go another game or two, but if it doesn't im not going to be upset.

Those of you lamenting the last year and these playoffs need to chill the F out.

Honestly I'm not a big "cup or bust" guy so I'm comfortable to say I thoroughly enjoyed the regular season and am optimistic for another good year next year.

That said, it's the way they're going about losing to their biggest rival that's bringing me down.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I still struggle with this player. Can't ignore a 100 point season but he's just not effective in the playoffs. I feel his skating is exposed in the playoffs where the tempo is increased. He's never going to become a better skater so I just don't know if he's ever going to be a playoff player so what do you do with him? He's good enough to help you get to the playoffs but his efforts kind of end there. Tough decision for the organization and for him as well as it's not working for him here in the playoffs.

I think the top line could player better for sure, but Tkachuk has 10 points in 11 games which puts him 12th in the league in playoff scoring.

This isn't exactly a no show.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the top line could player better for sure, but Tkachuk has 10 points in 11 games which puts him 12th in the league in playoff scoring.

This isn't exactly a no show.

Yeah but save for two games he's not as noticeable as you would expect from a player that put up 100 points. He functions best on the powerplay and when the team has possession in the offensive zone but he's just not part of the transition game and I feel there's still too much pressure on Johnny to carry that line into the offensive zone. I just feel his skillset is pure complementary and how much money and term is wise to sink into that?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah but save for two games he's not as noticeable as you would expect from a player that put up 100 points. He functions best on the powerplay and when the team has possession in the offensive zone but he's just not part of the transition game and I feel there's still too much pressure on Johnny to carry that line into the offensive zone. I just feel his skillset is pure complementary and how much money and term is wise to sink into that?

Absolutely ... and I agree for the most part.

But the notion that he didn't show up for the playoffs is a bit of a reach for a point a game player (essentially)