How much for another Tkachuck

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Yeah, but those are the fake Tkachuks they make in China and sell on sketchy websites.

Flames throw in Bennett thinking it was a steal only to find out it was a fake. Flames fans throw a Vancouver riot!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

He wasn't going to sign long term in Calgary. Pretty clear Tre got that impression. Paying that price didn't make sense last February.

If Tre turned down a trade that included a long term signed Mark Stone, I would be thoroughly shocked.

By all reports, Tree backed away when Vegas came in with Brannstrom and Ottawa wanted Valimaki in response.

Tree was never going to spend the assets required to get Stone without signing him. This whole “Stone was never going to sign here” narrative is an after the fact thing.

At the time of the deal, Maloney said they went to bed the night before the deadline believing they had a deal done - and if Valimaki wasn’t included (it didn’t sound like he was), it was going to be a significant futures spend (1st+++), and Tree’s MO has always been no rentals at that cost.

[Flamenspiel]

^^That was according to one poster on this site, nothing was ever confirmed about Stone signing here. That would have been negotiable without any guarantee. The issue was twofold, according to Burke and common mathematics they could not fit Stone under the cap for this year, on top of that some say that Stone preferred Vegas as a destination.

On top of that Treliving said he was not going to give them Valamaki, he never said anything about that being a long term deal or a rental. I would assume, based on the other facts that it would have been a rental deal. Look long and hard on the web and see if you can find anything on a contract offer from the Flames to Stone, it would be something that would have happened in the summer if they had acquired him as a rental.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

By all reports, Tree backed away when Vegas came in with Brannstrom and Ottawa wanted Valimaki in response.

Tree was never going to spend the assets required to get Stone without signing him. This whole “Stone was never going to sign here” narrative is an after the fact thing.

At the time of the deal, Maloney said they went to bed the night before the deadline believing they had a deal done - and if Valimaki wasn’t included (it didn’t sound like he was), it was going to be a significant futures spend (1st+++), and Tree’s MO has always been no rentals at that cost.

Well, we don't know if he was willing, but we sure know what it would have cost, which for sure was an issue, with Tkachuk still outstanding.

[cowtown75]

I would do Gaudreau for Brady in a heartbeat.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I would do Gaudreau for Brady in a heartbeat.

The Sens would not. They are a young team on the build, why on Earth would they do that with no security JG does not bolt when he is a free agent?

[jeffman]

Gadreau valimaki and a first

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

People talk about the Mark Stone trade because the Flames were in on him and then refused to pay the price to get an elite piece. It’s talked about as a point of criticism, not as a possibility.

But that's not what happened

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Sens would not. They are a young team on the build, why on Earth would they do that with no security JG does not bolt when he is a free agent?

Fair enough. However, Johnny is only what, 26 ? and still 3 more years on a sweetheart deal. In 3 years time, there is no guarantee Brady will want to remain in Ottawa once he is off of his ELC. I don't think there is a guarantee either way for Ottawa.

[Mr.Coffee]

I’m not so sure the Sens would turn up their noses on Gaudreau for Tkachuk and in general some of the proposals being tossed around on this site I think are vastly underrating Gaudreau. Personally I think this is the type of deal that could make sense for Calgary. Brady is not proven yet and from a contract perspective will want huge bucks if he continues to develop the way everybody wants him to. Whereas Gaudreau comes with a fantastic contract and is what, the best or near the best LW in the game? Will B Tkachuk even develop into anything close to Gaudreau? I’m guessing not. It’s not that ludicrous a proposal as I could see Ottawa viewing that as a huge win.

[Resolute 14]

There is no chance in hell the Sens do Tkachuk for Gaudreau. And that's not to dismiss Gaudreau's value.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is no chance in hell the Sens do Tkachuk for Gaudreau. And that's not to dismiss Gaudreau's value.

Why do you think that?

I think Brady is getting a little overblown on this site. He has 7 goals. He looks promising, but this isn’t Gretzky we are talking about and again, contract status comes into play. Sure, the Sens I’m sure view him as a guy you can build around but so is Gaudreau and it could accelerate your rebuild. They have other good young pieces as well they can keep.

What are your thoughts?

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why do you think that?

I think Brady is getting a little overblown on this site. He has 7 goals. He looks promising, but this isn’t Gretzky we are talking about and again, contract status comes into play. Sure, the Sens I’m sure view him as a guy you can build around but so is Gaudreau and it could accelerate your rebuild. They have other good young pieces as well they can keep.

What are your thoughts?

The Senators aren't going to be competing for at least 3 seasons. At that point Gaudreau will be on the decline while Brady will be a much bigger, but possibly slightly less skilled version of his brother. Brady's 6'4" 212 lbs now and he's not even close to filling out his body yet. He's going to dominate the front of the net when he does and score the kind of goals you need to win in the playoffs.

[Mr.Coffee]

Maybe? Possibly? Hopefully for Ottawa? In fact there’s probably a greater than 50% chance Gaudreau is still better than Tkachuk in 3 years.

[Love]

Not trading an Art Ross caliber talent for Brady Tkachuk lmao. Monahan, sure though.

Then draft Byfield.

Gaudreau - Byfield - B. Tkachuk
M. Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm

[Dube]

Originally Posted by Love

Not trading an Art Ross caliber talent for Brady Tkachuk lmao. Monahan, sure though.

Then draft Byfield.

Gaudreau - Byfield - B. Tkachuk
M. Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm

I’ll have what he’s having

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Maybe? Possibly? Hopefully for Ottawa? In fact there’s probably a greater than 50% chance Gaudreau is still better than Tkachuk in 3 years.

Johnny may be better at that time, but there’s a much better than 50% chance he’s playing out east by then.


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[Royle9]

To get Brady I'd be willing to go any of the following in combination: (value)

Monahan
Kylington
Brodie
Hamonic
Bennett
2nd/3rd round picks
Phillips
Pelltier
Zag

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Royle9

To get Brady I'd be willing to go any of the following in combination: (value)

Monahan
Kylington
Brodie
Hamonic
Bennett
2nd/3rd round picks
Phillips
Pelltier
Zag

Monahan as a #1 centre is debatable, and has been debated a lot. But Tkachuk sure isn't one, leaving you with Lindholm, who has never done it, or Backlund, who is a 2/3.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Monahan as a #1 centre is debatable, and has been debated a lot. But Tkachuk sure isn't one, leaving you with Lindholm, who has never done it, or Backlund, who is a 2/3.

Too soon to know what Brady will be, I'll give you that.
But between Brady and Lindholm I think we're okay, then we address the center depth at the draft.