2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Petert]

Anybody who thinks Dumba is worth Monahan is high on more than just crack.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Interesting, thanks.

If the Flames believe Valimaki will be able to step in as a top 4 guy right away, and that Mackey will be able to play NHL minutes pretty quickly as well, then it certainly makes sense that they are willing to move Hanifin.

I cannot get past the notion of signing Pietroangelo and then trading Hanifin for futures. To get an elite #1 RHD and then bolster the draft pick and prospect cupboards while at the same time filling out the left side of the NHL D with two guys on ELC's would be such a massive win for this franchise it's not even funny.

Too bad it's very unlikely to actually happen.

Giordano - Pietro
Valimaki - Andersson
Mackey - Kylington/Yelesin/Cheap UFA

Half to think Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. Any reliable source I have heard talk about him seems to be saying the same thing; St.Louis Vegas Toronto. Probably in that order.

I would be shocked if he signed here

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Saw this on the hf boards, not sure if it's been discussed here. Apparently goligoski team no trade list was revealed :
Buffalo
Calgary
Detroit
Edmonton
Los Angeles
Montreal
Ottawa
Winnipeg

Interesting, if true. Wonder why a guy wouldn't want to play in LA. Great city and a team with a bright future. The rest I can understand

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Interesting, if true. Wonder why a guy wouldn't want to play in LA. Great city and a team with a bright future. The rest I can understand

He probably picked LA because they were supposed to be a bottom feeder, and they were. A guy with only 1-2 years left on his contract doesn't care what kind of future they have, he's more worried about the 2020 and 2021 seasons.

That list is made up of all the smaller market Canadian teams and three American teams that were supposed to be bottom 5 in the league.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Interesting, thanks.

If the Flames believe Valimaki will be able to step in as a top 4 guy right away, and that Mackey will be able to play NHL minutes pretty quickly as well, then it certainly makes sense that they are willing to move Hanifin.

I cannot get past the notion of signing Pietroangelo and then trading Hanifin for futures. To get an elite #1 RHD and then bolster the draft pick and prospect cupboards while at the same time filling out the left side of the NHL D with two guys on ELC's would be such a massive win for this franchise it's not even funny.

Too bad it's very unlikely to actually happen.

Giordano - Pietro
Valimaki - Andersson
Mackey - Kylington/Yelesin/Cheap UFA

If the Flames could turn Gaudreau and Hanifin into multiple 1st round picks, prospects and maybe some 2nds and replace them with Hall and Pietrangelo that would be an absolute incredible retool. Add Markstrom to that team they are improved with a promising future

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Half to think Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. Any reliable source I have heard talk about him seems to be saying the same thing; St.Louis Vegas Toronto. Probably in that order.

I would be shocked if he signed here

Niether Vegas nor the Leafs can afford him without making a seperate but huge move to their rosters.

The Flames actually have a lot of cap room compared to most playoff type teams. AP isnt signing with a re-building squad, cannot be afforded by most of the contending teams, so his list gets small really quick.

I still think he settles in St Louis though....great team, wife is a native etc etc...plus they are the only club that can give him 8 years. The sticking point thus far for them is how the contract is structured. He wants it mostly in signing bonuses and they are refusing. Also have to believe he wants a full NMC, and GM's are loathe to be giving those in this financial climate...particularly Doug Armstrong who has never given one IIRC.

[cannon7]

I'd be in no hurry to move Hanifin.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Half to think Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. Any reliable source I have heard talk about him seems to be saying the same thing; St.Louis Vegas Toronto. Probably in that order.

I would be shocked if he signed here

I agree I feel like the Flames are that team that is being used as leverage because they can offer the big money, long term deal and not have to shift huge portions of cap like Vegas or Toronto. The Pietrangelo camp can use them as leverage to get the contract structure they want from the Blues.

Reminds me of when Brad Richards did that to the Rangers back in 2011. Flames and the Feaster connection offered the biggest contract and were thought to be in the mix but really they never had a chance. Richards wanted to go to the Rangers and settled for less than the rumored Flames offer but very much in the ballpark.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Interesting, thanks.

If the Flames believe Valimaki will be able to step in as a top 4 guy right away, and that Mackey will be able to play NHL minutes pretty quickly as well, then it certainly makes sense that they are willing to move Hanifin.

I cannot get past the notion of signing Pietroangelo and then trading Hanifin for futures. To get an elite #1 RHD and then bolster the draft pick and prospect cupboards while at the same time filling out the left side of the NHL D with two guys on ELC's would be such a massive win for this franchise it's not even funny.

Too bad it's very unlikely to actually happen.

Giordano - Pietro
Valimaki - Andersson
Mackey - Kylington/Yelesin/Cheap UFA

I don't see how trading a 23 year old top 4 defenseman for magic beans is a win. It's far more likely that Mackey or Valimaki are tried on the right side. If we need to shed 5 million in salary you move Backlund or Giordano before Hanifin.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't see how trading a 23 year old top 4 defenseman for magic beans is a win. It's far more likely that Mackey or Valimaki are tried on the right side. If we need to shed 5 million in salary you move Backlund or Giordano before Hanifin.

Backlund has a full NTC until the next off season, and I would be fine moving Gio and keeping Hanifin, especially if you're getting Pietro, but I don't see the Flames doing that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't see how trading a 23 year old top 4 defenseman for magic beans is a win. It's far more likely that Mackey or Valimaki are tried on the right side. If we need to shed 5 million in salary you move Backlund or Giordano before Hanifin.

It's also win because of asset management.

The team is better because you've upgraded massively with Pietrangelo over Hanifin and then also added futures.

If you're trading Hanifin for "magic beans" without replacing him while trying to compete, then yeah it's not a win at all. But if you've upgraded on him, made the team better and also added "magic beans" it's a clear win, because calling them magic beans doesn't take away from the fact that every team still needs them. They are the life blood of every single organization.

[Azure]

My guess is Hamonic is signing in Winnipeg.

I have a good reason for saying so, but it isn't good enough to use as a 'source.' But there is something behind it.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Azure

My guess is Hamonic is signing in Winnipeg.

I have a good reason for saying so, but it isn't good enough to use as a 'source.' But there is something behind it.

That's been common knowledge and widely speculated since his NYI days. Everybody knows he wants to play in his home province.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Azure

My guess is Hamonic is signing in Winnipeg.

I have a good reason for saying so, but it isn't good enough to use as a 'source.' But there is something behind it.

Isn't this public knowledge, he has family their and wanted a trade from NY to Western Conference to be close to them as their was an illness.



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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't see how trading a 23 year old top 4 defenseman for magic beans is a win. It's far more likely that Mackey or Valimaki are tried on the right side. If we need to shed 5 million in salary you move Backlund or Giordano before Hanifin.

I think Backlund and Gio have more value to the Flames than they would on the market. I don’t think either brings the return you might expect or get from moving Hanifin who is a quality top 4 at a reasonable cap hit with some term. There’s also that thing about ‘never go full Oilers’ having some quality home grown vets is essential, in my mind anyway. I keep Backlund and Gio unless you’re ripping it down to the studs.

I would be fine with trading Hanifin because the return is likely to bring back a player of comparable age and quality (Dumba for example), or a high value pick (prior to being dealt he was rumoured to be going to the Canucks for 7OA). As far as shedding salary, there is also value in that. At the end of the day Hanifin is far from an untouchable piece in my mind.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's also win because of asset management.

The team is better because you've upgraded massively with Pietrangelo over Hanifin and then also added futures.

If you're trading Hanifin for "magic beans" without replacing him while trying to compete, then yeah it's not a win at all. But if you've upgraded on him, made the team better and also added "magic beans" it's a clear win, because calling them magic beans doesn't take away from the fact that every team still needs them. They are the life blood of every single organization.

You cite asset management, but there is literally no better asset than a good young player that is signed to a good contract.

Yes, every team needs picks, but you don't trade one of your most valuable assets for a mystery box. The odds of actually getting a young player as good as Hanifin is and will continue to grow into is quite slim

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You cite asset management, but there is literally no better asset than a good young player that is signed to a good contract.

Yes, every team needs picks, but you don't trade one of your most valuable assets for a mystery box. The odds of actually getting a young player as good as Hanifin is and will continue to grow into is quite slim

You absolutely can trade Hanifin for futures if you've replaced him with a better player in the top 4 like Pietrangelo.

If there was no cap then you'd keep him, but you'd need to clear cap and I don't see a better more realistic option to clear any.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You absolutely can trade Hanifin for futures if you've replaced him with a better player in the top 4 like Pietrangelo.

If there was no cap then you'd keep him, but you'd need to clear cap and I don't see a better more realistic option to clear any.

No, you move other guys, even if you don't get full value. Because the whole point of futures is to get a player like Hanifin. The only way a Hanifin trade makes any sense is for a similarly aged or younger player who can can be added to our top 6.

Moving Hanifin for futures is a terrible idea, nothing will convince me otherwise.

[Heavy Jack]

Especially because trading Backlund or Gio wouldn’t get you the same type of futures that Hanifin would command and if we really do gear up for a swing Backlund and Gio are two players I’d want on a deep run even though we’ve yet to see Gio play well in a playoff. Plus after this season Gio is the perfect player to expose to Seattle.

Trade Hanifin, Ryan, Rittich and maybe RFA Mangiapane in order to bring in Hall, Markstrom and Pietrangelo; I would also try and bring in Andersson from Columbus.

Rittich for a pick, any pick.
Hanifin + Mangiapane for a great futures deal
Ryan for Andersson

Sign Hall, Markstrom and Pietrangelo

Gaudreau - Backlund - Lindholm
Hall - Monahan - Tkachuk
Dube - Bennett - Andersson
Lucic - Gawdin - Phillips
Reider

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Pietrangelo
Mackey - Kylington
Forbort

Markstrom
Zagidulin

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

No, you move other guys, even if you don't get full value. Because the whole point of futures is to get a player like Hanifin. The only way a Hanifin trade makes any sense is for a similarly aged or younger player who can can be added to our top 6.

Moving Hanifin for futures is a terrible idea, nothing will convince me otherwise.

...and then lose the player you acquired in the expansions draft? Smort.

Noah Hanifin isn’t some golden goose. He’s a solid player, and he’s young and signed to a market-value deal. If this team can sign Pietrangelo (an elite defenceman), and trade Hanifin for a 1st + 2nd + 2nd? Well that’s an absolute win. You improved your team, and you gained additional assets that are expansion draft exempt.