[News] Darryl Sutter wins the Jack Adams

[Macman]

Good for Darryl in getting the recognition and winning the Jack Adams award.

Interesting from that interview that player training programs start on June 20 already.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

I wonder if there is anyone out there who gives less of a #### about this than Darryl himself? I honestly don’t think he gives a flying F. Darryl only measures success on the ice, and he can’t be pleased with how this season ended at all.

He said as much when he was nominated. Said he doesn’t need it, there are young guys or guys who got a raw deal like Gallant who deserve then said if he had a vote it would be for gallant.

[blender]

Originally Posted by standinmotion

The Flames overachieved this year, thanks to Sutter.

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Disagree. Flames played to their potential thanks to Sutter. To be quite honest, it's simple.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Sure, he won the award.

But Darryl didn't want it, and he still has unfinished business in Calgary.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...h-of-the-year/

[CSharp]

Congrats to Darryl for winning the Jack Adams Award. But, he probably wants that Cup and unfinished business this year more than anything. Let’s hope he gets it done soon before he retires as coach of the Flames. I also hope that coach-of-the-year award isn’t gonna jinx him either.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by standinmotion

The Flames overachieved this year, thanks to Sutter.

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Did they really do much more than the 2019 Flames, outside of drawing an easier opponent?

I think the Flames grossly underachieved under Geoff Ward, and Sutter absolutely brought them back to the level they should have been playing at, but when I think of teams who truly overachieved this year, the Wild really stand out.

Not to take away from Sutter's fantastic coaching iob, but Evason worked miracles for the second year running.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Jay Woodcroft… LOL

He made the top 13 so him being a top candidate was hardly even much exaggeration as far as Oilers fans and media go!

[agulati]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-jack-ad...?tid=287709666

the Jim Gregory (GM) award is also regular season...I think the Conn Smyth is the only individual trophy awarded based on the post season...

the awards and what they are based on can be found here:

https://www.nhl.com/info/nhl-awards-trophies#:~:text=An%20annual%20award%20given%20to% 20the%20NHL's%20top%20goal%20scorer,based%20on%20r egular%2Dseason%20play.&text=Given%20to%20the%20pl ayer%20who%20best%20exemplifies%20leadership%20on% 20and,humanitarian%20contribution%20in%20his%20com munity.

This states that the GM award is voted on after the second round

Voting: NHL general managers and a panel of League executives, print and broadcast media vote for the Jim Gregory General Manager of the Year Award at the conclusion of the Second Round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, with the top three vote-getters designated as finalists.

https://records.nhl.com/awards/troph...the-year-award

Nothing to do with the Jack Adams, I know. Had my messed up trophy rules mixed up.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

That’s insane that Hrudey voted for Woodcroft. Pull him off Flames broadcasts permanently. Wow.

Especially when you hear all his biases when the 2 team’s are playing. Really annoying when he lives in Calgary.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Did they really do much more than the 2019 Flames, outside of drawing an easier opponent?

I think the Flames grossly underachieved under Geoff Ward, and Sutter absolutely brought them back to the level they should have been playing at, but when I think of teams who truly overachieved this year, the Wild really stand out.

Not to take away from Sutter's fantastic coaching iob, but Evason worked miracles for the second year running.

As someone who was in the dressing room back in Sutter's first go-round and is relatively close to it now (COVID means we're probably never going back into the room) I would say the foundational difference made in Calgary this year is far more deeply rooted than any other group this year. Evason was great and not taking anything away from him but the Wild have been building that identity up for a couple of years already. And while the Flames had success in 2019 it was hockey that would not bring about a championship. In spite of what happened, the Flames brand of hockey now is way more sustainable.

[getbak]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1532526696401870848

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

. And while the Flames had success in 2019 it was hockey that would not bring about a championship. In spite of what happened, the Flames brand of hockey now is way more sustainable.

That is revisionist history.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Two things beyond the obvious comment of congratulations to Darryl...well earned.

1. How does Rod Brind'amour not get more love? Just a few votes his way after another great season from Carolina. Their roster doesn't scream elite talent, but just a bunch of very good players. They work hard and play incredibly well together in their system. They won their division, which wasn't easy to do. That's all coaching.

2. How sickening it is to see Woodcroft get any votes at all. Sycophantic Edmonton media members always voting in their own. Gross.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

I wonder if there is anyone out there who gives less of a #### about this than Darryl himself? I honestly don’t think he gives a flying F. Darryl only measures success on the ice, and he can’t be pleased with how this season ended at all.

Maybe today he doesn't care but once he's retired I'm sure a little part of him will be proud of what he accomplished this season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That is revisionist history.

What's been revised?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by mile

I'm guessing the people who voted Woodcroft had the same line of thinking as this guy.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1532363912661741570

The guy isn’t wrong about leadership. All his points are generally valid.

Yet they also apply to a lot of top coaches and leaders. Some much better examples of. Honestly Woodcroft gets credit for praising McDavid? That is an awful example. McDavid is the leader, you praise the lower level or junior players who don’t get praised all the time.

As soon as I saw this post I thought this guy would be from Edmonton. Yep it checks out. Is it like Soviet Russia up there that they only get fed pro-state drivel on how special their city and team is because looking outside would tell you otherwise?

Oh right they get SN and Spector is up there, don’t answer that.

[JohnnyB]

Writing a book doesn't seem like a very Sutter thing to do, but I hope he does it someday after retirement. He has so much experience and insight to share.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What's been revised?

What has changed about the Flames' "brand of hockey"?

Obviously there are small roster improvements (Lindholm at centre instead of Monahan, Tanev over Hamonic, Coleman instead of Frolik, Markstrom instead of the Rittich/Smith tandem, Toffoli over Neal) but the style of play between the two teams (2018-19 and 2021-22) was more similar than different.

It seems that the two awful years under Geoff Ward playing that awful style have altered everyone's perception of that 2019 team and its dominance. They were a bonafide cup contender up outside of the weak start. Much like this year's team they dominated regular season games by controlling the play, checking tight, and getting career years out of its top players plus Mangiapane. They hit a tough matchup in round one with Makar coming in out of college. Both teams can even point to playoff Hanifin as their achilles heel.

The narrative during the Ward era became that they were a fluke team under Peters but there was never any evidence to support that. It's revisionist history to say the 2018-19 Flames were anything but a damn good team in terms of how they played.

If you're suggesting that the difference between the two teams is guys like Lucic and Zadorov adding toughness, I hard disagree. None of these tough guys made a difference in the meaningful games.

I think Sutter is a better coach than Peters, but I don't think they're playing a more "sustainable" brand of hockey.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That is revisionist history.

I think you mean "hindsight", not revisionist history And i agree, in hindsight, this brand of Sutter hockey is more sustainable / consistent than the 2019 version.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by zuluking

I think you mean "hindsight", not revisionist history And i agree, in hindsight, this brand of Sutter hockey is more sustainable / consistent than the 2019 version.

I think you mean "recency bias", not hindsight.