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Old 02-07-2019, 10:01 AM   #1
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“It kind of changes every year. It seems like there’s always that one guy or a couple of guys that change the money, whether higher or lower,” Tkachuk said. “You had [Connor] McDavid a couple years ago setting the bar there, maybe a guy like [Drew] Doughty setting the bar for free-agent (defencemen), a guy like [Jack] Eichel, too, signing, and now you have Matthews.

“I feel like every year there’s a couple guys, a couple big names every year, who kind of change the way a little bit. I think Auston changed it, too, going with the approach (of) a five-year deal, too. Maybe people haven’t seen that in a couple years, but it’s not like, uncommon. Guys used to do that all the time. He definitely set the bar.”
So this negotiation is going to be fascinating. Not sure how Tkachuk can get paid $8m+ on a team where the rest of the core is getting less than $7m. I'm starting to think the way this comes full circle is with Tkachuk signing a 3-4 year contract at $6.7m to keep him on the same footing as Giordano and Johnny - and arguably that's how important Tkachuk is to this team.

Three years would take him to one year before free agency. Four years would allow the Johnny and Tkachuk contracts to reset together as Giordano comes off the books. It would also make a lot of sense - Gio comes off the books and retires. Johnny gets an "A" and Tkachuk gets a "C" and they both get new contracts like Toews and Kane did. It also gives Tkachuk the option to bolt to free agency very early if he want to...
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:05 AM   #3
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I think Tkachuk will get around 7.2 - 8.5 for about 5+ years.

But Brad Treliving never fails to surprise me with his contract extensions. He's been bang on with pretty much every contract negotiation (outside of free agents).
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I won't be surprised if it drags out until training camp.
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8.4-8.6 x 7 is my guess. Needs to be a 7yr deal min so he's not negotiating the same year as Johnny, Monny or Lindholm. I think that is fair as he's in a hard spot to grab a top line spot on the team right now. The asks will start around 10, the team will start with Johnny's deal, they'll meet near the middle
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I won't be surprised if it drags out until training camp.
I hope it does not, when this happened with Gaudreau, he and the team was so flat footed for the start of that season. If we can get it done before September, awesome
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Toronto didn't have much choice in agreeing to a shorter term, given their cap situation and the Marner deal yet to come. I don't think the Flames are quite in that situation, but I could see a shorter term, as the Flames have gone a little shorter on Johnny and Mony than what most fans wanted. There is risk, but if the team can remain competitive and manages the cap reasonably well, they could still re-sign him on the next contract.
The big issue with the Matthews deal is that 11.6 seems a bit much for so few UFA years.
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Tkachuk will not come cheap unless he decides his family is already rich enough.
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Happy for Tkachuk. He is going to get paaaaaaaaid.
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I won't be surprised if it drags out until training camp.
I would expect that to happen. Hopefully, he doesn’t miss much of TC, butI think this is where Treliving can exert some leverage: Tkachuk is a really smart, really observant kid. He no doubt sees how much Nylander’s holdout has affected his season; he must also sense that there is an opportunity here, now with the Flames to make a championship push. These are screws that Treliving can turn.


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I won't be surprised if it drags out until training camp.
Yeah that's pretty normal these days, it is also one of the only ways to hammer out a decent contract. Tkachuk will get paid, but good players deserve money, and the Flames have savings elsewhere on their team, so it wont be a cap hell situation like Chicago, or L.A has.
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So this negotiation is going to be fascinating. Not sure how Tkachuk can get paid $8m+ on a team where the rest of the core is getting less than $7m. I'm starting to think the way this comes full circle is with Tkachuk signing a 3-4 year contract at $6.7m to keep him on the same footing as Giordano and Johnny - and arguably that's how important Tkachuk is to this team.

Three years would take him to one year before free agency. Four years would allow the Johnny and Tkachuk contracts to reset together as Giordano comes off the books. It would also make a lot of sense - Gio comes off the books and retires. Johnny gets an "A" and Tkachuk gets a "C" and they both get new contracts like Toews and Kane did. It also gives Tkachuk the option to bolt to free agency very early if he want to...
That was an option discussed on 960, and has some positives. The team will also have a better idea of money because of Brodie/Hamonic/Stone money going away or being redone.

The only issue is that it makes extensions of Johnny, Monnie and Tkachuk happen really close together, creating a Marner/Nylander/Matthews situation.
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Yeah, I don't think the Matthews thing does much for Tkachuk as a comparable. There are a lot of guys more relevant to Tkachuk's number coming up

I see it as a series of tiers. In the first tier, you basically have Matthews, Eichel and McDavid. A tier below that will be Marner, Rantanen, Laine and Point. A tier below that is where you find Tkachuk and probably Aho. Then below that you have Boeser, Connor, maybe Meier - the guys who haven't managed to put up a PPG but are still major contributors. Once a few of those start getting signed you should be able to figure out what the range is. I still think it's an AAV around 8.5ish, but I'm less and less sure about the full 8 year term.
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Tkachuk will not come cheap unless he decides his family is already rich enough.
But it's not his money!
I'm sure he's inclined to earn his own.
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Rare major misstep by Treliving not getting this deal done last summer when the media was saying it was close. That said he's done amazing on every other deal he's signed excepting Neal so tough to be too hard on him.
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8X8 seemed a stretch for Chucky in the summer, now I'm sure BT would take it and run.
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I suppose a lot depends how Chucky finishes the year and what his ask is. If his ask is too high and they wont budge the Flames might trade him? I would be shocked if Treliving goes higher than 7.5. Chucky is good but is he just having a really good year? Might try for a bridge deal so see how he trends.
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Yeah, I don't think the Matthews thing does much for Tkachuk as a comparable. There are a lot of guys more relevant to Tkachuk's number coming up

I see it as a series of tiers. In the first tier, you basically have Matthews, Eichel and McDavid. A tier below that will be Marner, Rantanen, Laine and Point. A tier below that is where you find Tkachuk and probably Aho. Then below that you have Boeser, Connor, maybe Meier - the guys who haven't managed to put up a PPG but are still major contributors. Once a few of those start getting signed you should be able to figure out what the range is. I still think it's an AAV around 8.5ish, but I'm less and less sure about the full 8 year term.

Tkachuk is in the same tier as Laine and probably Point.


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Does Tkachuk get an offer sheet?
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