2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Brick]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Jones has, before this year, been a pretty good goalie during the season and in the playoffs.

He has been terrible this season.

I’m not betting he turns it on in the playoffs.


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Martin Jones (Age 29) this season: .896 save percentage, almost as bad as Mike Smith (Age 36) .892 this season. I know which one I would bet on to turn it on in the playoffs.

[Captaincanada80]

Originally Posted by Fire

According to www.sportsclubstats.com The Flames have a 14.3% chance of winning the cup. How much does adding Stone or Duchene moves the needle? Up to 20%? Is that enough to mortgage the future for?

Sports club stats does not take into effect a teams rostor, just the record and analytics. Therefore the % would not change and remain at 14.3%

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Fire

According to www.sportsclubstats.com The Flames have a 14.3% chance of winning the cup. How much does adding Stone or Duchene moves the needle? Up to 20%? Is that enough to mortgage the future for?

The Athletic has the Flames and Sharks chances at 8%
Teams above them are: Lightning at 26%, Leafs and Predators at 11%.
All the rest are lower.

Not sure what it would take to move the needle for the Flames.
Adding a proven goalie, top six forward (preferably player with an edge), and/or defensive depth would probably improve their chances somewhat.

For me, adding a proven goalie is most important.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Yes but Cup winners historically have all the pieces in place to play a physically demanding playoff style hockey, and this team is a player or two away from that. The reason cup winners don't typically make a big addition that pays off is that they are generally set that season...

And that itself should tell us all something about where the Flames are at in their trajectory towards a championship right now. I still think the cost is too high and the return too shallow for this to be a worthwhile venture now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Brick

Martin Jones (Age 29) this season: .896 save percentage, almost as bad as Mike Smith (Age 36) .892 this season. I know which one I would bet on to turn it on in the playoffs.

Everyone is betting on the same goalie in this projection, but a lot fewer people are betting that Mike Smith starts a single playoff game this year. Is this a valid or especially meaningful comparison?

Martin Jones has started more games than any other goalie in the NHL since 2015. It's little wonder that at age-29 his numbers have dropped so precipitously this year.

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1097956731420848129

https://twitter.com/user/status/1097968421411672065

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

And that itself should tell us all something about where the Flames are at in their trajectory towards a championship right now. I still think the cost is too high and the return too shallow for this to be a worthwhile venture now.

If you can get Stone and sign him to an extension, then it makes the most sense because you are going all in on him much like the sharks with Kane last year, you get the rental and then you keep him around.

But there are so many moving parts for the flames longer term with the Cap.

Neal
Frolik
Michael Stone

All three contracts are anchors at this point and Tre would need to move at least one (2 realistically) out to make the room for a mark stone.

problem for the flames is Gio's play will likely taper off in next couple seasons (and could happen even next year), and Tre likely hopes for a longer window than that. Forward core is good for a couple more years but the flames need to plug some holes to truly make themselves contenders in this window or else it feels like they are entering a half window, where they are kinda contending but always gonna be a couple pieces away.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

https://twitter.com/user/status/1097956731420848129

https://twitter.com/user/status/1097968421411672065

Seems like too much for a rental

[Otto-matic]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1097984645101060101

Could make a Stone trade less likely now.

[SuperMatt18]

No chance that's the price they'd get for Stone.

Would probably be good work by the Sens just to get Debrusk. Let alone adding a 1st and one of Donato or Heinen on top of that.

I don't recall a rental ever getting traded for a 1st and two players under the age of 24 that have put up 40 points (Debrusk, Heinen)

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

No chance that's the price they'd get for Stone.

Would probably be good work by the Sens just to get Debrusk. Let alone adding a 1st and one of Donato or Heinen on top of that.

I don't recall a rental ever getting traded for a 1st and two players under the age of 24 that have put up 40 points (Debrusk, Heinen)

If they start the ask that high and then end up with just DeBrusk, it's still a win for Ottawa (as much as it can be, anyway).

[Ryan Coke]

As far as the debate over whether paying a steep price for a rental, and how much does it really ‘move the needle’ on possible playoff success....

I am of the opinion that more years of being a contender is more likely to result in a cup winner than going all in during one year.

In other words, if the Flames can go into the playoffs as a top 5 team for the next 3-5 years, the odds of winning a cup is much better than pushing all your futures in for this year. The low odds of any one team winning in a given year, and the number of things that can derail a long run, it just doesn’t make sense.

Keep top prospects and draft picks, keep supplementing and adding to the core, and keep the window open longer, as opposed to cleaning out the cupboard and trying to wedge this years window open a little wider.

Supplement your core with low cost rentals, fine. Make hockey trades to make your team better beyond this year, of course. But don’t run the team that this is the one shot, hero or zero year.

[jg13]

Duchene is sitting out per Dreger. Could have played his last game for the Sens

https://twitter.com/user/status/1097995284926394369

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

No chance that's the price they'd get for Stone.

Would probably be good work by the Sens just to get Debrusk. Let alone adding a 1st and one of Donato or Heinen on top of that.

I don't recall a rental ever getting traded for a 1st and two players under the age of 24 that have put up 40 points (Debrusk, Heinen)

It is the classic case of insane prices initially that will normalize. Remember when Gio wanted $9M and 7-8 years instead of the $6.75Mx6 years he signed for. I don’t think trade speculation especially for rentals is vastly different. Insane prices in the weeks leading up to the deadline then it seems a little more reasonable when the deal breaks.

[sureLoss]

lol

Tom Reed @treed1919
Torts on Panarin’s absence and his attempt to end speculation that he was held out for a possible trade: “He #### his pants. He was puking. He was doing everything. So enough.”

[Jiri Hrdina]

So the equiv. deal from the Flames would be
Janko or Kylington
+ 1st
+ Dube

Yay or nay?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So the equiv. deal from the Flames would be
Janko or Kylington
+ 1st
+ Dube

Yay or nay?

I would say nay if Stone wants the $10.5M per.

That also destroys our Centre or defensive depth.

[Enoch Root]

nay

[Red]

Maybe the Flames should let the top teams outbid each other for the 3 big forwards and once they are all depleted they could swoop in and get a Simmonds, Zuckarello etc for cheaper?

Big additions rarely work so maybe it's worth it to hold our assets and keep building.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So the equiv. deal from the Flames would be
Janko or Kylington
+ 1st
+ Dube

Yay or nay?

That's the price you pay to acquire a superstar from a divisional rival.

The ask would be significantly less from Calgary.