What is the deal with Elliotte Friedman?

[Rejean31]

The guy seems to love creating controversy around the Flames. Now he is trying to invent a feud between Sutter and Kadri. Really getting tired of his act. If ai recall he stirred something up big time last year, I just can’t remember what it was as all about.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The extra "e" in his name. Like he's trying to mess with everyone....

[Yeah_Baby]

I'm not sure he's creating as much as reporting what he's heard or folks have alluded to him. You could make an argument he isn't helping in reporting things, ie the Canucks coaching debacle, but that's really not the business ecosystem the NHL Media is in.

It's sorta like Frank Seravalli I fully believe most of his Flames opinions this year have been filtered Alan Walsh opinions. But that's the ecosystem.

[topfiverecords]

Just be glad it's not a Friedman-Seravalli podcast.

[Blaster86]

Friedman will not put anything out in the world with out all the facts 100% straight and permission to do so. The guy is inert without the go ahead, but he won't make anything up and won't stir a pot that isn't already being stirred.


Edit- The Canucks coaching thing is a perfect example.

[N-E-B]

Which is more plausible, that Elliotte Friedman has some kind of personal vendetta against Calgary and wants to ruin them for unknown reasons,

OR

The Flames as an organization has been ran horribly for over 30 years and are still horribly managed?

I don't think Friedman has some anti-Flames agenda. We cheer for a poorly managed organization. The results speak for themselves.

[Toonage]

I mean, its his job.

There have been insiders doing this across all sports around the world for decades.

I doubt he has an axe to grind with the Flames.

[Johnny Makarov]

He still can't figure who Michael Phelps is....

That was one of the best calls in swimming history!

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Which is more plausible, that Elliotte Friedman has some kind of personal vendetta against Calgary and wants to ruin them for unknown reasons,

OR

The Flames as an organization has been ran horribly for over 30 years and are still horribly managed?

I don't think Friedman has some anti-Flames agenda. We cheer for a poorly managed organization. The results speak for themselves.

This

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Whenever he is on the fan 960, has good discussions about the flames with the guys & never once has he said anything that makes you believe he has a personal vendetta against the flames, not on any of the times ive listened to him.

[Toonage]

Its funny. Whenever Friedman (or any insider) has something negative to say about the Flames they're a fraud or its personal. NEB sums it up well.

[btimbit]

A few years ago he stopped only reporting what he gets from his contacts and started 'thinking out loud' more and more often. That really confused people at the time because he was seen as Bob McKenzie lite. If I remember correctly he decided to stop doing radio in Calgary for a bit because people were getting upset at the stuff he was making up, and he wasn't clear enough that it wasn't insider info.

He still does that today but people have gotten used to it. Just remember that not everything he says is him reporting on something, but him saying "I wonder if....."

It doesn't mean he's a fraud or has an axe to grind. Just gotta listen between the lines a bit more now

[Ashasx]

CP hates insiders.

First Seravalli, now Friedman.

Weird stuff.

[Monahammer]

How could anyone be shocked about this latest bit of news?

We have a typically high performing forward who's having a horrible season production wise. We have a well known for being acerbic coach. Coach has multiple times publicly stated that the team doesn't have adequate talent up front, or not putting in enough effort. Then the coach puts the player with two of the biggest plugs in the organization for a game.

Of course this player is mad.

[jaginla]

Are we really going to not believe what he's saying after seeing the product on ice this year? I'd be more concerned if the reports coming out were all only positive.

[SuperMatt18]

Maybe the question should be what is the deal with Darryl Sutter and the organization.

In his first stint here it was the same thing at the end of his tenure. Not talking to his brother, dark cloud over the management team, not listening to others, etc etc

And now this time around there seems to be another story every passing week.

Where there is smoke there is fire and I don't think this is a Friedman, or Seravalli issue (although Servalli might make stuff up and I'm don't think he's super trustworthy).

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

CP hates insiders.

First Seravalli, now Friedman.

Weird stuff.

Frank Seravalli and Elliotte Friedman are not the same.


Seravalli will regularly report inaccurate information just to get it into the world first, even getting close to that line where extrapolates on incomplete information to make a story.


Elliotte Friedman won't say a word with out everything being 100% true. He will sit on stories, in his own words, for months until he's totally sure.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by btimbit

A few years ago he stopped only reporting what he gets from his contacts and started 'thinking out loud' more and more often. That really confused people at the time because he was seen as Bob McKenzie lite. If I remember correctly he decided to stop doing radio in Calgary for a bit because people were getting upset at the stuff he was making up, and he wasn't clear enough that it wasn't insider info.

He still does that today but people have gotten used to it. Just remember that not everything he says is him reporting on something, but him saying "I wonder if....."

It doesn't mean he's a fraud or has an axe to grind. Just gotta listen between the lines a bit more now

People were taking what he was wondering and reporting it as fact so he stopped doing radio.

In other words he'd get some info from an agent, player etc and then add " I wonder if this means X is Y" and then it would get reported that X was in fact Y.

[bubbsy]

What did he say exact? Can’t find it in the last podcast notes on Spotify.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

What did he say exact? Can’t find it in the last podcast notes on Spotify.

He speculated that Kadri didn’t play in OT against Dallas because he went off on Sutter. Claims it’s plausible because Kadri speaks his mind and as proof of this referenced the “kiss my ass” interview after he won the Stanley Cup.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe the question should be what is the deal with Darryl Sutter and the organization.

In his first stint here it was the same thing at the end of his tenure. Not talking to his brother, dark cloud over the management team, not listening to others, etc etc

And now this time around there seems to be another story every passing week.

Where there is smoke there is fire and I don't think this is a Friedman, or Seravalli issue (although Servalli might make stuff up and I'm don't think he's super trustworthy).

Agreed. That seems to me to be the story. What is going on with Sutter? This isn't some small decline. He was praised by the players for clarity of communication last year. The team is still playing a successful style (in my opinion), but something appears to have changed internally. I know Bingo has wondered who Sutter is trying to send a message to with the lines and with each of these reports coming out about Sutter I wonder more and more about that speculation.