08-08-2022, 12:31 PM
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#6741
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evil of fart
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Yeltzen seemed like he was down for a good time.
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08-08-2022, 12:34 PM
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#6742
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Yeah, didn't Yeltsin say he regrets choosing Putin as the successor?
Imagine what we could be as a society if Russia became democratic after 1991 and joined the west in cooperation toward scientific achievement.
Alas despots will be despots.
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08-08-2022, 01:41 PM
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#6743
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
I wonder if Russia will ever be able to rehabilitate it's image.
Germany readily admits, accepts and atones for it's atrocities and doesn't shy away from facts. And even after this, it took a good 50 years for people to be OK with Germans again (I am told).
Russia will never admit to the facts of their actions. In the information age, EVERYONE knows about them. I'm not sure I can ever move on and will always harbor negative feelings toward Russia and Russians.
I just can't believe what we are seeing in 2022. Despicable.
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Absolutely not. Has there been ANY point in their history where you could point at them and say they have been truly trying to better themselves by admitting to atrocities in their history and strived to make not only their country, but the world a better place? I guess they tore down a couple Stalin statues at some point.
Germany acknowledges their history. They don't deny it. They have courses in school teaching about their history to children. There are memorial sites all over the country. You bring up the topic of their Nazi history to a German and they look down with shame, still to this day apologizing for it. Heck, it's illegal to showcase any kind of Nazi symbolism or deny the past. To this day they still hunt down nazis, even if they are a century old.
What has Russia done? Their leadership lies, lies, then lies again to cover the previous lies. They will stab you in the back and twist the knife until they get what they want. They have absolutely ZERO interest in acknowledging atrocities during this war, let alone in their past. They simply...lie. Sadly, that seems to have filtered down into many aspects of their society.
So no, I don't think Russia will ever rehabilitate their image. Quite frankly, they don't deserve it. Let the world see them for what they are.
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08-08-2022, 03:10 PM
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#6744
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Russia never had a good image. We just turned the other way out of selfish convenience.
Russia invaded Chechnya in 1994. The world sat and did nothing. Chechnya won a victory humiliating Russia in the process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
Amnesty International condemned Chechnya for holding Russian POWs
Russia invaded Chechnya again in 1999 with Putin in power. The world sat and did nothing. Putin feel Russia was too soft last fight, decided to raze Grozvny tot he ground
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
The conflict resulted in mass casualties, over 80K deaths mostly civilian.
Amnesty International condemned Chechnya a 2nd time for their endemic torture of Russians.
Russia invaded Georgia in 2008. The world sat and did nothing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
Guess who decided to blame Georgia for failing to protect civilians and commiting genocide (effectively taking Russia's word)?
https://web.archive.org/web/20081211...04/005/2008/en
Russia invaded Crimea and the Donetsk region in 2014. The world sent some strongly worded comments, gave a slap on the wrist and laughed with Putin at the G20 meeting.
Do you know who again condemned the side that Russia was invading?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...d-misreported/
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The discovery of ‘mass graves’ in the Donetsk region
On 23 September Russian media reported the discoveries of “mass graves” in Komunar and Nyzhnya Krynka, two adjacent villages in the Donetsk Region, which until two days previously, had been held by Kyiv-controlled forces. They described the discovery of women’s bodies with signs of torture and the body of a pregnant woman. Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, was reported later as saying that more than 400 bodies had been discovered in the graves in this area and calling for international investigations.
An Amnesty International delegation visited the area on 26 September. The delegation found strong evidence implicating Kyiv-controlled forces in the extrajudicial executions of four men buried in two graves near the village of Komunar. Five further bodies buried in a single grave nearby were revealed to belong to separatist fighters. Amnesty International spoke to members of their unit who said they had been killed in the course of hostilities.
“The reality behind Russian claims of ‘mass graves’ in Nyzhnya Krynka is grizzly enough. It points to extra-judicial killing of four local residents by either regular Ukrainian armed forces or volunteer battalions operating in the area. These must now be investigated thoroughly. But it also shows the extent to which accusations of abuses are being inflated, particularly by the Russian authorities, in the parallel propaganda war,” said John Dalhuisen.
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On a side note, how the hell does Amnesty International have such a good reputation when they are clear Russian sympathizers throughout their history and constantly support the Russian narrative? Their latest report was scrutinized and criticized, but they have long been pro-Russia despite them being the clear aggressors in all conflicts.
Last edited by Firebot; 08-08-2022 at 03:15 PM.
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08-08-2022, 03:28 PM
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#6745
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Maybe there's a Russian Oligarch(s) funding Amnesty International covertly simply to help with the propaganda war.
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08-08-2022, 03:34 PM
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#6746
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
I struggle to think of a time that Russia didn't have a bat#### crazy gov't.
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Haha good point. I guess more if they just get to a point where they're not beating their chest like a gorilla at the West while invading sovereign European nations and threatening the world with nuclear annihilation. Baby steps with them.
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08-08-2022, 03:36 PM
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#6747
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It gets more glaring the deeper you go in the rabbit hole.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents.../4455/2016/en/
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Ukraine: “You don’t exist”: Arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, and torture in Eastern Ukraine
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https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...disappearance/
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“While the former inmates of the Ukrainian Security Service’s (SBU) secret prisons are still awaiting truth, justice and reparation, the agency continues to deny well-established facts and blames ‘Russian propaganda’ for allegations it chooses not to face,” said Marie Struthers, Amnesty International’s Eastern Europe and Central Asia Regional Office Director.
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The 'blame all sides' spiel gets a little thick when one side is the obvious aggressor and constant articles keep passing the ones being invaded by Russia as gross violators of human rights.
Here's the now infamous AI Article that has gotten Ukraine and many others in an uproar since it has not been linked in this thread yet, for context, effectively blaming Ukraine of mass atrocities for trying to defend itself.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/
Last edited by Firebot; 08-08-2022 at 03:40 PM.
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08-09-2022, 08:14 AM
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#6748
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08-09-2022, 08:18 AM
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#6749
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Wonder if they got ATACAMS with no announcement, like the anti radiation missiles fired from Ukrainian MIGs over the last week that destroyed a bunch of radar complexes. US never announced they received HARM missiles or that Ukr MIGs could launch them, until the batteries in the south were destroyed.
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08-09-2022, 10:45 AM
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#6750
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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08-09-2022, 01:03 PM
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#6751
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First Line Centre
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1557027629298880513
Some things are better left as a surprise. Ukraine's attack on Crimea today sure has shifted the goalposts
What is still hard to fathom is how bad Russia grossly overestimated their own military power while simultaneously grossly underestimating Ukraine.
The importance of the attack on Novofedorivka airport deep in Crimea cannot be overstated. That is less then 100km away from Sevastopol.
The airport also housed very significant amounts of jets that were most likely all destroyed based on their proximity to the ammo dumps destroyed.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1557078376925597697
Footage coming in now.
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08-09-2022, 01:48 PM
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#6752
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: The centre of everything
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Make it rain Ukraine, make it f'ing rain.
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08-09-2022, 02:27 PM
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#6754
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Has anyone confirmed how many aircraft were destroyed on the Saki airfield?
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08-09-2022, 02:50 PM
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#6755
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by blankall
Has anyone confirmed how many aircraft were destroyed on the Saki airfield?
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While we likely won't know officially, there was as many as 45 aircraft around the ammunition depots. The video of the Su-24 seems to be part of a group of 7 jets parked near a berm from an overheat satellite image and the video seems to show other damaged jets as well.
At the very minimum it's likely double digit losses, but based on the videos of the massive damage of the buildings near the depots, it's likely almost all were lost.
The question of the day: Will Amnesity International condemn Russia for putting ammunition depots and military equipment near civilian buildings, or will they condemn Ukraine for bombing Russian civilians?
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08-09-2022, 03:47 PM
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#6757
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Yeah...those planes? I think they are destroyed. Must see the end of the video.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1557114793756082177
Russia reports tiny fire accident, no injuries or damage. Nothing to see here folks
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08-09-2022, 03:56 PM
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#6758
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Soo...
"John Wick 4: Mr. Wick Goes to Moscow?"
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08-10-2022, 03:49 AM
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#6760
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For the record, while I think Amnesty as an organizations has to some extent lost its way, it's simply unfair to claim they were somehow pro-Russian.
Behind the link you can see a quock collection of the most recent Russia-related reports. Only one of them got news coverage.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/...an-federation/
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