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Old 10-16-2021, 11:55 AM   #3161
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The responses to that tweet are why I don't do Twitter. Too many hysterical idiots immediately willing to take a statement to the worst possible conclusion they can think of.

I think he opened himself up to some legitimate criticism with the silly comparison to illegal lawn signs.
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Old 10-17-2021, 10:46 AM   #3162
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PACs should be banned across the board.
Disagree 100%
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Old 10-17-2021, 10:50 AM   #3163
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Disagree 100%
Why?

Are you in general against campaign finance laws?
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Old 10-17-2021, 10:54 AM   #3164
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Why?

Are you in general against campaign finance laws?
Yup.

I don't see any issue at all with a third party spending unlimited amounts of money promoting or not promoting a candidate as long as there is no slander.

If Tim Hortons can spend millions of dollars advertising their new soft cooked chicken sandwich, why can't I buy ads promoting Joyti Gondek or Jeff Davison.

Just my opinion. I am sure everyone will disagree.

EDIT: I do think the source of the funding should be disclosed.
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Old 10-17-2021, 10:56 AM   #3165
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Yup.

I don't see any issue at all with a third party spending unlimited amounts of money promoting or not promoting a candidate as long as there is no slander.

If Tim Hortons can spend millions of dollars advertising their new soft cooked chicken sandwich, why can't I buy ads promoting Joyti Gondek or Jeff Davison.

Just my opinion. I am sure everyone will disagree.

EDIT: I do think the funding should be disclosed though.
Why do we want the wealthy to have the ability to purchase political power?
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Why do we want the wealthy to have the ability to purchase political power?
They are not purchasing anything.

They are simply voicing an opinion.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:03 AM   #3167
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Why do we want the wealthy to have the ability to purchase political power?
Not just the wealthy, but the wealthiest who almost always have interests that go against the public good. We might have prevented climate change if it wasn't for huge PACs supporting candidates who deny it's a problem.


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They are not purchasing anything.

They are simply voicing an opinion.
And those opinions get heard by more people because they have more (almost unlimited) money to spread them. It should be a fair playing field where all opinions get heard and are judged on their merits.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:03 AM   #3168
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Chu should withdraw from his race.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:04 AM   #3169
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Not just the wealthy, but the wealthiest who almost always have interests that go against the public good. We might have prevented climate change if it wasn't for huge PACs supporting candidates who deny it's a problem.




And those opinions get heard by more people because they have more (almost unlimited) money to spread them. It should be a fair playing field where all opinions get heard and are judged on their merits.
So what?

This is a rich country. Both sides of an argument are flush with cash.

Your argument is not persuading.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:11 AM   #3170
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If "both" sides of an argument are flush with cash, and donations should be unlimited, why should donations need to be disclosed?
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:22 AM   #3171
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Question for Roughneck and DownInFlames and burn_this_city

Why are you opposed to a cash limit on paid advertising when you can have an unlimited social media campaign?

Media is media. Advertising is advertising.

Honestly now that a lot of this stuff has moved to social media campaign finance laws are becoming even more irrelevant and outdated.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:28 AM   #3172
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“Opinions”

You mean bald faces lies designed to influence elections to benefit a small group of people against the public interest.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:31 AM   #3173
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It was nice to see no Chu signs out this morning. They may be around, but not on the route I took.


Early Chu voters may have buyers remorse.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:38 AM   #3174
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Question for Roughneck and DownInFlames and burn_this_city

Why are you opposed to a cash limit on paid advertising when you can have an unlimited social media campaign?

Media is media. Advertising is advertising.

Honestly now that a lot of this stuff has moved to social media campaign finance laws are becoming even more irrelevant and outdated.
I think you are making a better argument for restricting advertising on food products like we do on cigarettes then making a case for unlimited spending on elections.

We know that advertising works. So if some individuals and groups can spend more than others then it move us further from each individual having equal say in democracy. Your position appears to distill down to people with means should have more influence.

Social media campaigns are forms of paid advertising.
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Question for Roughneck and DownInFlames and burn_this_city

Why are you opposed to a cash limit on paid advertising when you can have an unlimited social media campaign?

Media is media. Advertising is advertising.

Honestly now that a lot of this stuff has moved to social media campaign finance laws are becoming even more irrelevant and outdated.
Having an unlimited social media campaign? Still costs money. Certainly for an effective one. Especially now that paid advertising is such a staple of social media network. So not only do you pay traditional advertisers for content to put on social media and traditional media, but to have an effective “grassroots” social media campaign requires full time people: people to manage the accounts and keep interactions up. Graphic designers. Editors. Etc. If I can pay more, good people, I have better social media presence.

It can stretch your money further, sure. But this isn’t 2010. Nobody is running effective, much less unlimited, social media advertising on a shoestring budget anymore.
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Anyways we can all agree to disagree.
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OK. What is Gonek's stance on property taxes?

I know Davison is for a 4 year freeze which is why I am supporting him.
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Anyways we can all agree to disagree.
Well, yeah I guess so. I think we can all agree with your post, getting back on topic, that Chu should resign.
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I just checked, and neither the the herald or Sun have any mention of this story. Now, I know it was broken by CBC, but usually something this major will be covered by every media organization, even if it references CBC. This stinks. Media is failing us.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...-say-opponents
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OK. What is Gonek's stance on property taxes?

I know Davison is for a 4 year freeze which is why I am supporting him.
Mayor Nenshi asked a pretty good question in his letter posted on Twitter today.

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but our taxes have increased by less than our population growth and inflation since 2016. We cannot sustain this forever.

So anyone who is promising a four-year tax freeze needs to explain how they will do it – particularly if they want to invest more in the largest department: the police.

There are only two ways: massive cuts to smaller departments like parks and recreations or using the savings account to paper over annual deficits. Maybe this is the right thing to do, but we need to be honest about it.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1449759179883704327

I don't think Davidson or Fark(no)us has answered those questions in any real-world way.

As for Gondek, here's what her principles on Property Taxes are.
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