What to do with Huberdeau?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And on team Canada at the Olympics...winning a gold medal

One of the few memorable moments from the Sochi tournament was Bouw’s deft little slap pass feed to Jamie Benn against the US. Wasn’t on the level of Pronger-through-Lemieux-to-Kariya, but it was a high-skill, high-IQ play that made you wish Jay would simply impose his will on the game more.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Oh god, guy is one of the top scorers in the league the last 5 seasons

It isn't about the player, it is the contract. The best player in the league would have negative trade value if he had to be paid thirty million a year. That's what we're looking at here - a terrible contract that we'll never be able to move.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Some of you must be new...if the Flames trade Huberdeau he will score 130 points and win the cup next season

and if he stays here he will be a 60 point shell of himself lol

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We could package this bum with our next five first round picks, and nobody would want that contract. We're stuck with him.

Adding one to the ignore list.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

It isn't about the player, it is the contract. The best player in the league would have negative trade value if he had to be paid thirty million a year. That's what we're looking at here - a terrible contract that we'll never be able to move.

The best players in the league will be making 16 soon...good players like Horvat make 8+

10.5 isn't what it used to be, any PPG player will be making that soon. Gaudreau just got nearly 10 for 73 points and -26

And honestly who the hell would have put up big numbers on the Flames last season?

[MegaErtz]

Matthew Tkachuk.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Matthew Tkachuk.

Pretty insane that Tkachuk is making 9.5 million and Huberdeau 10.5. Nice job, Tre

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Pretty insane that Tkachuk is making 9.5 million and Huberdeau 10.5. Nice job, Tre

In Florida...so like 11+ Calgary money

Tkachuk could have had 10.5 here too


Duh

Huberdeau tied for 2nd in league scoring...ahead of Drai, ahead of Tkachuk, Matthews, Marner

Like what did you expect him to sign for?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The best players in the league will be making 16 soon...good players like Horvat make 8+

10.5 isn't what it used to be, any PPG player will be making that soon. Gaudreau just got nearly 10 for 73 points and -26

And honestly who the hell would have put up big numbers on the Flames last season?

Around 36 players played at a point per game pace or higher this past season.
11 players make 10.5 million or more.

I think it'll be a while before the cap inflates enough for a point per game player to be worth 10.5 mill.
This is especially true when offense is continuing to increase.

Now with that said, Huberdeau is a relatively late bloomer (as far as progression goes), doesn't overly rely on top speed, and hasn't been injured much. There's a chance he could age relatively well.
He's one of the best playmakers in the world. The 10.5 mill he got was probably fair value based on the open free agency market.
He just doesn't have trade value. Most UFA signings don't. Since he's an elite player, I do think he'd have value with cap retention.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Around 36 players played at a point per game pace or higher this past season.
11 players make 10.5 million or more.

I think it'll be a while before the cap inflates enough for a point per game player to be worth 10.5 mill.
This is especially true when offense is continuing to increase.

Now with that said, Huberdeau is a relatively late bloomer (as far as progression goes), doesn't overly rely on top speed, and hasn't been injured much. There's a chance he could age relatively well.
He's one of the best playmakers in the world. The 10.5 mill he got was probably fair value based on the open free agency market.
He just doesn't have trade value. Most UFA signings don't. Since he's an elite player, I do think he'd have value with cap retention.

Well like I said 10.5 in Calgary is less elsewhere...tons of players make 9+

Also Huberdeau had 115

A guy like Drai makes 8.5 but his 3rd contract will be 13M+

[Badgers Nose]

Huby is going to be a 80-90 pt player next year, and because of that his C and RW are going to have career years (assuming they are current roster players).

If Lindholm takes a team friendly deal, I'd like to see Huby - Lindholm - Mangia. I think Lindholm gets close to 2022 numbers and Mangiapane breaks 40 goals.

[FireGilbert]

Hot take, I'm happier to have Huberdeau locked up long term than if we'd given Gaudreau the same contract. Both elite playmakers but Huberdeau has the size and reach that allows him to win battles Gaudreau never could.

Huberdeau has a lot of talent and I expect a big rebound next year. Think the new team adjustments, some strange linemate selection, and misuse on the powerplay cost him at least 30 points.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well like I said 10.5 in Calgary is less elsewhere...tons of players make 9+

Also Huberdeau had 115

A guy like Drai makes 8.5 but his 3rd contract will be 13M+

Not relevant.

The fact that it is similar to less elsewhere it is still $10.5 MM here.

If he got traded back to Florida, does the amount decrease to $9MM?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not relevant.

The fact that it is similar to less elsewhere it is still $10.5 MM here.

If he got traded back to Florida, does the amount decrease to $9MM?

It's totally relevant when someone is comparing the contracts

That's like someone saying "why did you pay X for your house in Calgary I paid Y in High River you dumbass"

Signing guys in Calgary costs more, its just the reality. The leagues #2 scorer isn't giving Calgary a bargain

I mean Tkachuk wanted to go to Florida and got to pick them a year before UFA, they were obviously getting a bargain, there is no way Calgary gets him for that even if he wanted to stay

[blankall]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Around 36 players played at a point per game pace or higher this past season.
11 players make 10.5 million or more.

I think it'll be a while before the cap inflates enough for a point per game player to be worth 10.5 mill.
This is especially true when offense is continuing to increase.

Now with that said, Huberdeau is a relatively late bloomer (as far as progression goes), doesn't overly rely on top speed, and hasn't been injured much. There's a chance he could age relatively well.
He's one of the best playmakers in the world. The 10.5 mill he got was probably fair value based on the open free agency market.
He just doesn't have trade value. Most UFA signings don't. Since he's an elite player, I do think he'd have value with cap retention.

How many of those players signed contracts when they were playing below a ppg or as RFAs? How many of those players signed contracts a while ago when only the top stars got $10 million? How many of those players have been consistent ppg players?

Also the cap has been flat for a while, but will likely increase with inflation soon.

Consistent ppg players signing for $10+ million will be the norm very soon.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's totally relevant when someone is comparing the contracts

That's like someone saying "why did you pay X for your house in Calgary I paid Y in High River you dumbass"

Signing guys in Calgary costs more, its just the reality. The leagues #2 scorer isn't giving Calgary a bargain

I mean Tkachuk wanted to go to Florida and got to pick them a year before UFA, they were obviously getting a bargain, there is no way Calgary gets him for that even if he wanted to stay

It’s certainly relevant when you sign the player.

It isn’t relevant when you try to move him. It is what it is.

I don’t believe posters are questioning the amount they gave Huberdeau as much as they signed him at all. But many are understanding the difficulty of moving $84MM worth of contract.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

It isn't about the player, it is the contract. The best player in the league would have negative trade value if he had to be paid thirty million a year. That's what we're looking at here - a terrible contract that we'll never be able to move.

I dunno, personally I see Huberdeau bouncing back next year and if he is getting a point per game or so, it’s not really that much of an overpay (maybe a little, but not like end of the world stuff). It’s the length that is maybe a bit troubling. We shall see, but the nice thing is at least Huberdeau acts like a professional and I think will at least work as hard he can generally speaking.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I dunno, personally I see Huberdeau bouncing back next year and if he is getting a point per game or so, it’s not really that much of an overpay (maybe a little, but not like end of the world stuff). It’s the length that is maybe a bit troubling. We shall see, but the nice thing is at least Huberdeau acts like a professional and I think will at least work as hard he can generally speaking.

Compared to Kadri, he was professional

But that big a drop never looks good

The only way for him to restore his status is to prove he can do it again quickly

[NewFan]

Huber gets 14.3 million CAD.

[Bingo]

Didn't see this posted ...

Super interesting scout written look at Huberdeau and why things aren't working in Calgary.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...h-this-season/