I honestly don't think that I would be offended if it was my family members grave that it happened to. Unless the person purposely brought the dog to that spot to defecate, then I don't see maliciousness that others are seeing.
I still don't think she should be bringing a dog through there, but it's hardly worth getting angry about.
The whole notion that she "allowed" her dog to this is crazy. No one "allows" a dog to poop. Was she supposed to poke it back up? The only issue here is that she broke a bylaw by having the dog there in the first place. It should have been reported to the proper authority and then the witness should have moved on with their life. Unless he /she sees her there all the time with the dog and reporting it hasn't helped, I see no reason to escalate the punishment to a grass roots level.
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I honestly don't think that I would be offended if it was my family members grave that it happened to. Unless the person purposely brought the dog to that spot to defecate, then I don't see maliciousness that others are seeing.
I still don't think she should be bringing a dog through there, but it's hardly worth getting angry about.
The whole notion that she "allowed" her dog to this is crazy. No one "allows" a dog to poop. Was she supposed to poke it back up? The only issue here is that she broke a bylaw by having the dog there in the first place. It should have been reported to the proper authority and then the witness should have moved on with their life. Unless he /she sees her there all the time with the dog and reporting it hasn't helped, I see no reason to escalate the punishment to a grass roots level.
I have been wanting to say this for a while but have bit my tongue.
Why is it that people tend to care more about preserving the dignity of the dead than that of the living. I don't see any threads being created that look at actual injustices that occur to people who aren't dead, instead there is just faux-outrage of preserving the dignity of some random dead person's family.
At the end of the day the people in the ground are not going to know the difference and the families of the dead are also going to be unaware of what happened, in fact the only way that the family members would know the difference is if someone took a picture and distributed it around the internet or in the unlikely scenario that they were walking by at the time. There was no damage to the grave it was just a little bit of dog poop.
Also what difference does the on-leash vs. off-leash make, is it just semantics and a potentially awful argument that the dog only defecated because it wasn't on a leash.
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Why is it that people tend to care more about preserving the dignity of the dead than that of the living. I don't see any threads being created that look at actual injustices that occur to people who aren't dead, instead there is just faux-outrage of preserving the dignity of some random dead person's family.
At the end of the day the people in the ground are not going to know the difference and the families of the dead are also going to be unaware of what happened, in fact the only way that the family members would know the difference is if someone took a picture and distributed it around the internet or in the unlikely scenario that they were walking by at the time. There was no damage to the grave it was just a little bit of dog poop.
No, she's just the worst, and on top of the initial public shaming, we should get that creepy picture taking guy to follow her around even more, maybe we can get her doing other minor things wrong, and plaster it all over the internet.
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Why is it that people tend to care more about preserving the dignity of the dead than that of the living. I don't see any threads being created that look at actual injustices that occur to people who aren't dead, instead there is just faux-outrage of preserving the dignity of some random dead person's family.
At the end of the day the people in the ground are not going to know the difference and the families of the dead are also going to be unaware of what happened, in fact the only way that the family members would know the difference is if someone took a picture and distributed it around the internet or in the unlikely scenario that they were walking by at the time. There was no damage to the grave it was just a little bit of dog poop.
Also what difference does the on-leash vs. off-leash make, is it just semantics and a potentially awful argument that the dog only defecated because it wasn't on a leash.
This deserves highlighting.
It's definitely a case where the families would be better off not knowing.
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I bet that sometimes she doesn't pay for transit tickets, jaywalks, and samples of out the bulk bins at a grocery store. Truly a sign that she is the scum of society as evidenced by incredibly minor wrongdoings.
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I bet that sometimes she doesn't pay for transit tickets, jaywalks, and samples of out the bulk bins at a grocery store. Truly a sign that she is the scum of society as evidenced by incredibly minor wrongdoings.
She's probably doing one of these things right now, and it's going un-photographed.
Hey Regulator75, maybe you and your buddy can form a team that goes around public areas, hiding behind trees and photographing people. We could catch some serious, minor infractions that way.
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She's probably doing one of these things right now, and it's going un-photographed.
Hey Regulator75, maybe you and your buddy can form a team that goes around public areas, hiding behind trees and photographing people. We could catch some serious, minor infractions that way.
In all seriousness, this just points out how we live in the world of big brother. And also oversensitive ######ed lurking behind trees in a cemetery brother. The smallest thing you do now, can potentially ruin your life, because some idiot on a website, says it's so.
What the OP's friend said may very well be true, but it may be patently false as well. With all the mouth breathers out there that believe every single thing they read on the internet, this could become a dangerous game.
I'll give an example. A few weeks ago I was standing in our parking lot of our dealership with an ex girlfriend of mine from over a decade ago I getting along with very well. We were goofing around and giving each other the gears, and she was owning me pretty hard. At the end of the conversation I gave her the middle finger 2 inches from her face because it was something she always used to do when she got super pissed at me, and it became our little in-joke about her over reactions. I walk back in the dealership, and one of the sales guys asked me "Holy crap, What the hell happened there?" thinking it was a customer.
If someone took a photo of that, and posted it online with a tagline "Local dealership finance manager flips off female customer." It could ruin my career, and render me unemployable. Even if it was explainable. Nobody cares about the misunderstanding part, all they care about is the heat of the moment drama.
I think that's more an indication of the problem with people not caring about a misunderstanding and only caring about the heat of the moment (lol which is probably as good a description of this forum as exists) than a problem about a photograph of someone doing something in a public place.
What she did was, to whatever degree one feels, shameful. If others would have been present to witness it, they would have disapproved to one degree or another (that's what shame is).
If someone who is walking by and views the act overreacts and beats her up because they walked by when she did this, or follows her around screaming and berating her, or calls her boss to get her fired (or if it's her boss that sees her and fires her as a result), then the problem there isn't that she was viewed doing what she did, she was in public and can reasonably expect to be seen. The problem is the disproportionate response by those who viewed it, beating her up, firing her, following her and berating her are disproportionate responses.
The only difference here is that someone happened to take a picture increasing the number of people that viewed the incident. To me that isn't any different than more people walking down the street to view the incident, if people overreact then the fault is with the overreactors.
If I knew her I'd laugh at her and tell her to stop being dumb and follow the signs, but I wouldn't think less of her, it wouldn't ruin our friendship, everyone's done dumb shameworthy things of this level before, and many of us have done them in public in view of others.
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If I knew her I'd laugh at her and tell her to stop being dumb and follow the signs, but I wouldn't think less of her, it wouldn't ruin our friendship, everyone's done dumb shameworthy things of this level before, and many of us have done them in public in view of others.
But that's just you. There are numerous people in this thread calling for public shaming. One even condoned 'lynching' her. (I do not think that word means, what they think it means.)
So if some psycho, on this site, or facebook took such exception to this that he did track her down, or wait for her to return to the park, and beat or kill her for this, then what? Does the OP shrug his shoulders and say "Shoulda poked the poop back in." It was my right to shame her.
While I still think that what that lady was doing was wrong. Here's probably what was happening right around there that they should have photographed instead
But that's just you. There are numerous people in this thread calling for public shaming. One even condoned 'lynching' her. (I do not think that word means, what they think it means.)
Well potential hyperbole aside, public shaming is the appropriate response (because that's what shame means). We're ashamed of actions because of how those actions are viewed in the context of society, or how they impact society, etc. The only difference (worst case) between the day before this picture and the day this picture was taken is the number of people who viewed the action.
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So if some psycho, on this site, or facebook took such exception to this that he did track her down, or wait for her to return to the park, and beat or kill her for this, then what?
Then he goes to jail. The problem isn't that she was viewed doing something shameful in public (because the psycho might have been walking by and saw her, no Internet photo required), the problem was the disproportionate response.
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Does the OP shrug his shoulders and say "Shoulda poked the poop back in." It was my right to shame her.
Poking the poop back in is just an overly emotional description to try and reduce her responsibility. She was taking the dog out for a bathroom break in a place not appropriate for that purpose, if she wanted to avoid the poop there she doesn't have to poke it back in, she just doesn't take the dog where she did.
If I do something shameful in public, then people are going to say "shame on you", it's not a "right", it's a tautology.
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