Ongoing Sci-Fi, Comic Book Movie Thread v2

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What was too much? They could have reversed the snap, but part of the deal was not to so Tony didn't lose Morgan.

If you mean just generally in regards to the story telling, this was the cumulation of over 10 years of movies. It was suppose to have a huge impact, not be just whist away as though nothing happened.

I agree the snap should have had much higher ramifications (or alternatively been less than 5 years to avoid some of those questions that will be left mostly unexplored (couples moving on only to have their ex show up in the house, older siblings all of a sudden being younger etc.)) but those should have been explored better after Endgame and is not a fault of Endgame itself. I think Spider-Man being a 'light comedy' with the easy "hand-waving" of the impacts was stupid, but again I don't blame that on Endgame.

You said it was too much. I responded as to why unsnapping was way dumber than using the time stone exactly as we’d seen it used multiple times already.

You explaining the concept MCU doesn’t help. I’m well aware of the MCU.

[Oling_Roachinen]

But then Morgan doesn't just die, but ceases to exist at all. Along with everyone under 5.

It was very clear why they did it the way they did.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I already addressed that. It’s literally the crux of Tony’s sacrifice and a nice little surprise at the end that Pepper is pregnant.

[Harry Lime]

Every child born in the universe over the last five years would cease to exist, but as long as a rich man gets to have the only not-dead baby, it's a happy ending.

Well, I was pro-Thanos anyway, so either way I lose.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Every child born in the universe over the last five years would cease to exist, but as long as a rich man gets to have the only not-dead baby, it's a happy ending.

Well, I was pro-Thanos anyway, so either way I lose.

And what about the millions and even billions who will come back and straight away die. Anyone who unsnaps into a wall, into the sky where the plane they were flying on used to be, into the building that’s now demolished and fall to a grisly death, into a world that has no food or resources for them, they’d have no jobs, no families, no money, no homes.

Unspapping people would literally be the end of civilization. Even the post snap world looked way better off without them. Nature was being repaired, electric cars were the norm, Tony and Steve both led comfortable lives, so it couldn’t be all bad. Hulk seemed fine, society seemed to recover well based on the diner scene. But now we’re going to ruin all that to bring back a bunch of dead people and ruin the world because Tony misses Peter? No way.

The snap was bad, unsnapping them would be way, way worse, especially after 5 years.

But those people never existing and no one even knowing they didn’t get born? Yeah, that’s sounds way worse

[PepsiFree]

I have no horse in this race but the thought of roughly 500,000 people who were in a plane being snapped into existence where the plane no longer exists is horrifying.

[Locke]

I could probably watch an entire movie of just the logistical fallout of the reverse-snap.

It would be so grim the MCU would have to contract Zack Snyder to make it.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I have no horse in this race but the thought of roughly 500,000 people who were in a plane being snapped into existence where the plane no longer exists is horrifying.

If one can will into existence trillions of souls with the snap of a finger, then I'd think it's safe to assume they can also make sure those people are snapped back into reality in a safe area. What's darker to me is thinking of how many people committed suicide in those 5 years, everyone looked pretty damn depressed. How much would it suck to be snapped back only to find out your wife or parents offed themselves and couldn't be brought back by Hulk?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

We saw in FFH that they were snapped back to the exact place and moment (for them anyways) they were snapped out, like mid varsity basketball game.

Good thing they didn’t knock down that school and turn it into a prison or something. Or a waste treatment plant lol.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It's canon that Professor Hulk willed them back either to where they were if it was safe or nearest safe location otherwise.

But yeah, Hemi-Cuda is right. Think of all the parents who lost their children and spouse at the same time, of course there would be a lot suicides. But in some cases it would just be a toddler left alive after the first snap. There would have been poor/remote parents blipping back into reality only to find the decayed skeleton remains of their young children.

Then of course all the second marriages that would have occurred and now are those people doing polyamory? Divorced? How are assets split? That's assuming the person coming back doesn't immediately kill the stranger sleeping in his/her bed.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Hulk didn’t snap, iron man did.

Also, see Locke’s post. Movie or it didn’t happen. Canon is now a synonym for “bad plot hole explanation after the fact.”

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Hulk didn’t snap, iron man did.

Also, see Locke’s post. Movie or it didn’t happen. Canon is now a synonym for “bad plot hole explanation after the fact.”

Hulk snapped everyone back into existence. Tony snapped Thanos and crew out of existence

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Right. My bad. I still don’t see how it’s canon.

[KTrain]

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[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Right. My bad. I still don’t see how it’s canon.

Because God said so.

Which I'm sure will piss you off more because then it seems like Hulk could have done anything at all, like gone back 5 years with Morgan but eh.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I get that you might take this super cereal, but it’s funny to think you’d assume anyone would get pissed off about an interview with Kevin feige.

Also, that’s not what canon means. I feel like I’m repeating myself now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

What do you think canon means?

When the (active) universe creator says something, it's canon...I mean even the usage of "God" was to connect it to its earlier definition of "religious decree".

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Yeah that’s not how canon works.

This isn’t the bible dude. You’re misinterpreting what that word means.

[Oling_Roachinen]

What do you think it means then? Give me your definition that disagrees with pretty much every other definition available.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Ugh. Read the wiki article. Read any number of articles on comic book or Star Wars canon. There a reason the word canon isn’t even in the article you linked.

It is so far removed from the biblical meaning, it’s pointless to even use that as an example. It shows you don’t know what it means.

In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in the fictional universe of that story.


Keyword material. Interviews with magazines don’t make it canon. There’s no material to support this in universe.

Star Wars already went thru this with George Lucas where he was considered god and tried to establish canon via this method and it ruined Star Wars.

Literally what you’re describing is called an explanation of a plot hole. And it isn’t even by the writer of the movie. It’s not canon. Especially when the movies directly contradict it.