Loki TV Series 2021

[Duruss]

I had to explain Roxxmart to my dad. He thought it was a way to avoid royalties to Walmart, so filling him in on that Easter egg was fun...for

[djsFlames]

Now THIS

Is the marvel show I was waiting for.

[Itse]

I've really enjoyed Loki so far, but this seems like one of those stories where everything will come down to how they stick the landing after a good setup. How will they combine the TVA with Endgame, with Thanos and his whole army sidestepping into a different timeline.

So far better than I expected though! Fun and again quite different from everything else.

Spoiler!

My guess is the TVA doesn't survive the series, which would mean they're not around anymore during Endgame, or all the timestuff they do in Agents of SHIELD, and the destruction of the TVA will serve as part of the backstory for Multiverse of Madness and just a general excuse to introduce timey wimey plotlines.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Itse

I've really enjoyed Loki so far, but this seems like one of those stories where everything will come down to how they stick the landing after a good setup. How will they combine the TVA with Endgame, with Thanos and his whole army sidestepping into a different timeline.

So far better than I expected though! Fun and again quite different from everything else.

Spoiler!

My guess is the TVA doesn't survive the series, which would mean they're not around anymore during Endgame, or all the timestuff they do in Agents of SHIELD, and the destruction of the TVA will serve as part of the backstory for Multiverse of Madness and just a general excuse to introduce timey wimey plotlines.

I think that everything that happened in Endgame is part of the "sacred timeline" and was "meant to happen."

But what we will come to find is that the "sacred timeline" is a similar fate to Thanos' snap that we just haven't seen come to pass yet. The bad guys have won. Loki's about to nudge the situation, we just won't understand how until much later.

think about that "sacred timeline origin story". Massive battle between splitting multiverses, finally three powers agree to put an end to it all, and form an extra temporal military force to ensure the survival of a single timeline that guarantees their own supremacy... that actually sounds pretty damn authoritarian and very likely the result of some foul play. I think we'll see some of this in the Dr. Strange movie. I posted last page what I think might be the ultimate stage 3 type of plan where this could be headed.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think that everything that happened in Endgame is part of the "sacred timeline" and was "meant to happen."

They specifically stated this in the first episode, Loki complained about the Avengers messing with the timeline and it was stated that they were supposed to do that, but Loki grabbing the tesseract was not. Time also has no meaning in the TVA, we've already seen them jump to the past and future, so there is no "after Endgame"

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

They specifically stated this in the first episode, Loki complained about the Avengers messing with the timeline and it was stated that they were supposed to do that, but Loki grabbing the tesseract was not. Time also has no meaning in the TVA, we've already seen them jump to the past and future, so there is no "after Endgame"

It does and it doesn't, they also say that

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

They specifically stated this in the first episode, Loki complained about the Avengers messing with the timeline and it was stated that they were supposed to do that, but Loki grabbing the tesseract was not. Time also has no meaning in the TVA, we've already seen them jump to the past and future, so there is no "after Endgame"

...but more importantly, which I forgot to say:

There is no question there are now two timelines/multiverses in the MCU after Endgame.

One in which the movies happened, and another where Thanos just disappeared along with all his minions right when the events of GoTG1 were supposed to happen, and so there's no GotG1 (and thus likely the Guardians never team up), there's no Infinity War or Endgame, Vision is still alive, Tony Stark is alive, Groot never died, Thanos doesn't kill Loki and half the Asgardians, Ego never finds Peter which means Yondu is still alive, Black Widow is still alive...

I guess they could just handwave that with "don't think about it", but I don't see why they would do that when they're going to play with the multiverses idea anyway, and a relatively major character in the MCU (Gamorra) is already from a different timeline and her being from a different plotline is already extremely plot relevant when it comes to her relationship with Starlord.

The whole point of the TVA is to stop multiverses from happening, and during Endgame the Avengers/Thanos clearly and unambiguously create two extremely different timelines, although unintentionally on the Avengers part.

You gotta address that.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Itse

...but more importantly, which I forgot to say:

There is no question there are now two timelines/multiverses in the MCU after Endgame.

One in which the movies happened, and another where Thanos just disappeared along with all his minions right when the events of GoTG1 were supposed to happen, and so there's no GotG1 (and thus likely the Guardians never team up), there's no Infinity War or Endgame, Vision is still alive, Tony Stark is alive, Groot never died, Thanos doesn't kill Loki and half the Asgardians, Ego never finds Peter which means Yondu is still alive, Black Widow is still alive...

I guess they could just handwave that with "don't think about it", but I don't see why they would do that when they're going to play with the multiverses idea anyway, and a relatively major character in the MCU (Gamorra) is already from a different timeline and her being from a different plotline is already extremely plot relevant when it comes to her relationship with Starlord.

The whole point of the TVA is to stop multiverses from happening, and during Endgame the Avengers/Thanos clearly and unambiguously create two extremely different timelines, although unintentionally on the Avengers part.

You gotta address that.

Personally, I believe Tony's special wish upon a snapping star, is that the Thanosian army return to 2014 unaware of the events of endgame. This ties up the loose ends excluding Gamora, which I'll ignore for narrative/marketing/casting purposes.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Itse

...but more importantly, which I forgot to say:

There is no question there are now two timelines/multiverses in the MCU after Endgame.

One in which the movies happened, and another where Thanos just disappeared along with all his minions right when the events of GoTG1 were supposed to happen, and so there's no GotG1 (and thus likely the Guardians never team up), there's no Infinity War or Endgame, Vision is still alive, Tony Stark is alive, Groot never died, Thanos doesn't kill Loki and half the Asgardians, Ego never finds Peter which means Yondu is still alive, Black Widow is still alive...

I guess they could just handwave that with "don't think about it", but I don't see why they would do that when they're going to play with the multiverses idea anyway, and a relatively major character in the MCU (Gamorra) is already from a different timeline and her being from a different plotline is already extremely plot relevant when it comes to her relationship with Starlord.

The whole point of the TVA is to stop multiverses from happening, and during Endgame the Avengers/Thanos clearly and unambiguously create two extremely different timelines, although unintentionally on the Avengers part.

You gotta address that.

Based on what we know about the current TVA is they just Nuke the variant timeline.

[Parallex]

Just watched episode 3. Didn't advance the plotline much but it was a lot of fun and Sophia Di Martino & Hiddleston play very well off of each other.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Just watched episode 3. Didn't advance the plotline much but it was a lot of fun and Sophia Di Martino & Hiddleston play very well off of each other.

Yep, a bit of a filler episode. We got some good character development, and we found out everyone in the TVA is a variant with a mind wipe. Apart from being visually stunning there doesn't seem to be much from those 35 minutes.

Still enjoyed it, however.

[GGG]

I loved that loki can only love themselves. Excellent character development.

Spoiler!

The other revelation that all the TVA are variants themselves is interesting. I wonder if they are recruited like Loki then memory wiped or if they were recruited in the initial creation of TVA. Does Mobius know that all TVA people aren’t created by the TVA

They will be rescued by Mobius for some reason as he knows they are hiding in extinction events. Why he does it will be interesting.

[photon]

Not as good as the first two episodes, writing wasn't as good and they wanted to indulge themselves with the shot at the end.

Chemistry between those two isn't nearly as good as it is between Hiddleston and Wilson, or maybe I just don't like how she's playing her character much.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by photon

Not as good as the first two episodes, writing wasn't as good and they wanted to indulge themselves with the shot at the end.

Chemistry between those two isn't nearly as good as it is between Hiddleston and Wilson, or maybe I just don't like how she's playing her character much.

She needs more development time I think, her character is a little thin to like at the moment.

[photon]

Fair enough, hopefully that improves.

Also don't really like the fighting in this one, I mean they seem to struggle with some guards then Loki moves a whole building with his mind/magic like it was nothing (a new power, like force healing!).

And why are guards chasing them in the look-at-how-cool-this-is shot? A planet is falling on everyone, what's the point?

Stuff like that took me out of the story.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by photon

Fair enough, hopefully that improves.

Also don't really like the fighting in this one, I mean they seem to struggle with some guards then Loki moves a whole building with his mind/magic like it was nothing (a new power, like force healing!).

And why are guards chasing them in the look-at-how-cool-this-is shot? A planet is falling on everyone, what's the point?

Stuff like that took me out of the story.

At least it was short? This seems like the episode that doesnt quite fit.

I'm with you though for the most part.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by photon

Fair enough, hopefully that improves.

Also don't really like the fighting in this one, I mean they seem to struggle with some guards then Loki moves a whole building with his mind/magic like it was nothing (a new power, like force healing!).

And why are guards chasing them in the look-at-how-cool-this-is shot? A planet is falling on everyone, what's the point?

Stuff like that took me out of the story.

Yeah, I spent that entire fight scene thinking about the motivations of those guards. Doesn't seem likely/real. Although maybe in times of stress people revert to their expected programming/routines?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

There was one fight sequence near the end where my wife turned to me and said: "Why are those guards fighting them? Do they even know who they are or why they need to fight them?"

I had no logical answer for her. That was a serious plot hole.

Honestly, compared to the first two, that whole episode felt half-baked.

[photon]

Just means they used the budget for better episodes ahead! Music was great, overall plot is great, acting is mostly great.

Half way through, man this one is short.

[Monahammer]

I had the same thought about the guards immediately fighting them. I guess they could have communicated with prior guards aboard the train? Seemed loose though.

I'm wondering if this loki was one of the brainwashed TVA variant workers and somehow broke free of that.

Anyone have any ideas on how they're escaping the planet?