[Signing] Habs extend Nick Suzuki

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I would think this costs Tkachuk - he was offered 8x8.

Suzuki is a better player, playing a more valuable position, in the highest-taxes market in the game, who just went to a Final.

And he didn’t get 8x8.

He is? every signing we have things like this posted as facts

I would have a tough time picking between them, going to the finals doesn't change his value IMO. Flames won more games in a debacle season, they were pretty fortunate to be a playoff team and likely won't even be close this year.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tkachuk doesn't score more though.

Tkachuk has 80 points in 127 games over the last two seasons (0.63 PPG)

Suzuki has 82 points in 127 games over the last two seasons (0.65 PPG), and has been even better in the playoffs with 23 points in 32 games (0.72 PPG).

Also according to advanced stats Suzuki has been one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL the last two seasons.



Still some work to do to be worth this contract, but it's worth the bet to try and sign him now to get him locked up long term IMO.

Curious how he does with Danault gone. He will likely get tougher matchups this season.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is? every signing we have things like this posted as facts

I would have a tough time picking between them, going to the finals doesn't change his value IMO. Flames won more games in a debacle season, they were pretty fortunate to be a playoff team and likely won't even be close this year.

He's a Centre, which is a significant tie-breaker if you want to say two players are close.

He lead the Habs forwards in TOI int he regular season, and tied for the lead with Danault in the playoffs.

Being the most played player who scored the most goals and most points on a team that went to the finals is significant.

While I don't love the AAV, I think this is the better route for the Habs than doing a bridge (which don't typically happen until the off-season, when he would presumably be vulnerable to another offer-sheet from the Canes).

[The Yen Man]

I still remember laughing when the Oilers signed Draisaitl for $8.5M. I guess this is the same sort of gamble. Time will tell if it's worth it or not.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I still remember laughing when the Oilers signed Draisaitl for $8.5M. I guess this is the same sort of gamble. Time will tell if it's worth it or not.

Hindsight has been showing that locking up your young Stars for 8 years coming off their ELCs tends to be the right move...even if it costs a bit more short term.

I wish we had two more years of Gaudreau, and 5 more years of Tkachuk after this season.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tkachuk doesn't score more though.

Tkachuk has 80 points in 127 games over the last two seasons (0.63 PPG)

Suzuki has 82 points in 127 games over the last two seasons (0.65 PPG), and has been even better in the playoffs with 23 points in 32 games (0.72 PPG).

Also according to advanced stats Suzuki has been one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL the last two seasons.



Still some work to do to be worth this contract, but it's worth the bet to try and sign him now to get him locked up long term IMO.

I said scores more as in goals, Tkachuk .30 GPG, Suzuki .22 GPG.

I get it, Suzuki is a center but .02 PPG better does not make him more valuable than Tkachuk IMO

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is? every signing we have things like this posted as facts

I would have a tough time picking between them, going to the finals doesn't change his value IMO. Flames won more games in a debacle season, they were pretty fortunate to be a playoff team and likely won't even be close this year.

Suzuki lead his team in playoff scoring and tied for the team lead among forwards in ice time with Danault.

Suzuki is -20 over two years. He was -15 as a rookie and -5 in year 2. Tkachuk is -41 over three years, and his +/- shows a positively Nealesque trajectory. -10, -14, -17.

Tkachuk’s PPG has been the same since his rookie year - 0.63 his first two, 0.64 last year.

Suzuki’s PPG jumped from 0.58 as a rookie to 0.73.

In 32 playoff games, Suzuki is a 0.72 PPG player.

Conversely, Brady Tkachuk has a famous dad and a famous brother, both of whom are better at hockey.

If I had to give one player or the other 8x8, Suzuki is the clear choice.