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Old 10-30-2017, 06:07 PM   #5101
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Might have been PEACE OUT to the starboard scimitar had this plane been equipped.
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Old 10-30-2017, 06:57 PM   #5102
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I got to watch an A380 take off in Auckland the other day. Probably old news for most of you guys but I'd never seen one in action before. It amazes me that that behemoth can even get off the ground.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:14 PM   #5103
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WestJet Encore pilots just unionized too.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/west...cupe-1.4382426
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:31 AM   #5104
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Lufthansa pilots deal with a dual engine flameout in the A350 simulator. They should have given them the Canadian pilot scenario and not let the engines come back.

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Old 11-16-2017, 10:37 AM   #5105
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Not sure what is going on with this flight my wife is on....quite the track.

https://www.flightstats.com/go/Fligh...ightNumber=610
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:43 AM   #5106
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Wierd, looks all good on Flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA610
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:45 AM   #5107
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Ya, it didn't initially on flight aware, so I went hunting for other sites, and found that! Looks like it is finally underway though. Mega delay! All started because the plane was late coming from Edmonton, which is NG.
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:08 AM   #5108
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Ya, it didn't initially on flight aware, so I went hunting for other sites, and found that! Looks like it is finally underway though. Mega delay! All started because the plane was late coming from Edmonton, which is NG.
It pushed on time (actually early) from YEG but took 1.5 hrs to get to YYC. De-icing perhaps? Or something took much longer than usual because the flight track itself looks normal. Looks like the flight didn't become airborne until after 8.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/W...430Z/CYEG/CYYC
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:09 AM   #5109
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I guess it had trouble escaping the vortex of suck that is Edmonton.
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:15 AM   #5110
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Snow removal ops here at YYC slowing things down perhaps?
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:10 PM   #5111
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Showing a 52 minute taxi at YEG... that happened all the time where their central deice gets bogged down.

At YEG a lot of times the US guys like Delta and United would take the absolute bare minimum of fuel not realizing they have to wait 30 min for a big Transat Airbus to deice, then they'd have to go back to the gate for more fuel. Later in the winter it seems the dispatchers finally figure it out and YEG outbounds take a bunch more taxi fuel.

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Old 11-16-2017, 06:18 PM   #5112
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Showing a 52 minute taxi at YEG... that happened all the time where their central deice gets bogged down.

At YEG a lot of times the US guys like Delta and United would take the absolute bare minimum of fuel not realizing they have to wait 30 min for a big Transat Airbus to deice, then they'd have to go back to the gate for more fuel. Later in the winter it seems the dispatchers finally figure it out and YEG outbounds take a bunch more taxi fuel.
This is interesting. How much fuel does it take to taxi? ie is 10 minutes of taxi equal to 10 minutes of flight?
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:10 PM   #5113
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This is interesting. How much fuel does it take to taxi? ie is 10 minutes of taxi equal to 10 minutes of flight?
No. Engines burn a lot less at or near idle. For a CFM 56 on the 737NG, it’s roughly 25 lbs of fuel per minute (for both engines running).

1000lbs of fuel would get you 40 mins on the ground and maybe 10-15 minutes in the air.
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:16 PM   #5114
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No. Engines burn a lot less at or near idle. For a CFM 56 on the 737NG, it’s roughly 25 lbs of fuel per minute (for both engines running).

1000lbs of fuel would get you 40 mins on the ground and maybe 10-15 minutes in the air.
Thanks. So to taxi it takes almost no thrust I assume?
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:53 PM   #5115
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Thanks. So to taxi it takes almost no thrust I assume?
Depends on the type but almost none; the majority of the time waiting for deice is just spent sitting in line waiting at idle thrust anyway, ideally with one engine shut down.

At Calgary's international gates the planes just spray at the gate before starting up which eliminates all of this, except for the 3 or 4 pound per minute burn of the APU. The downside of this is that the gates remain occupied for longer, and the entire apron becomes a glycol swamp as opposed to only the central deice area.

Even though it's not a ton of fuel burned at idle, they have a minimum fuel on their flight plan that they're allowed to line up on the runway with... United mainline in particular has a +/- 75 gallon tolerance on the fuel requests they send so even if the fueler anticipates a big lineup out there there's not a lot he can do to save having to come back. Captains of other companies are known to request half a ton of "black market fuel" from the fueler that the dispatcher probably wouldn't have agreed to.
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:34 PM   #5116
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This is likely the best place to ask this question.

Monday I'm flying WestJet Encore for the first time. Just a short jaunt from YQY-YHZ (not dissimilar in length from YYC-YEG).

My question is: What benefit would there be for me paying for the OLCI Plus Upgrade?

Leg room is 31" vs 30"
I'll get to board first

Neither of which is really worth the extra cost. Is that the only benefit on the Q400 on a short flight?
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:39 PM   #5117
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The Plus seats on the Q400 seems like a big waste of money, really.
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Old 11-18-2017, 04:35 PM   #5118
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I took an Encore flight to Saskatoon recently and the Plus seats looked pretty much the same as the rest of the seats. Considering it was a 1 hour flight and I had no carry-on or luggage, it seemed pointless.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:18 PM   #5119
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They are the same. You'll be offered a free bottle of water though.
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:46 AM   #5120
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I'm not that tall so for me I'd only go Plus if it were a 6+ hour flight to Liberia or something. As long as I'm not in a middle seat, I'm happy.
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