[PGT] Flames 1 Sharks 3. Flames display "Troy Brouwer vibes"

[browna]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is the leverage on a trade any better now with the team floundering out of gate than it was in the off-season?

Boyle or Williams would be “free”, so the required move of a salary away to fit the $700-$1M salary in, Frolik as the easy, yet not only option, would be for a draft pick, and not as part of a package for a Jason Zucker. So yes, leverage would be lost as far as the return, but only due to the Flames cap situation.

It’s not ideal situation, but in those 2 guys cases, it brings another vet elements., The Flames crapped the bed against Pittsburgh last Oct 25, with no material changes...so still some time to sort this out, but as said, I don’t think BT is waiting as long as he did last year, given it’s not a new coach, nor has the roster turned over as much...and the window is a year closer.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Frolik- no trade value
Ryan- negative trade value
Bennett- could get possibly a 3rd
Jankowski- would clear waivers
Mangiapane- probably the most value of what you listed because he’s unproven and has room to grow.

Janko was already traded if Kadri would have waived...he would not clear

Bennett is the most valuable and could fetch more than a 3rd

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

It’s not about the points. I’ve also never been a “the sky is falling” guy either. What I see is an absolute total lack of effort all around. We have a bottom six full of tweeners that last seasons success allowed us to overlook. and is becoming pretty apparent. You guys can paint it however you want to feel better about it. But the fact is we’re not good enough after our top 5 players. If the top line isn’t hot we lose. It’s not something that can be argued or even has a small sample size to be an anomaly. Major stretches last season. Our entire first round against Colorado and the whole start of this season...

I will call this exactly what it is: premature panic to a disappointing start.

[Jiri Hrdina]

“The homers that dominate this board”
Boy it would be nice if people could state their opinion without that garbage

[AC]

Flames played fine. One bad play on the shortie and a bad break on goal 1. Especially on a back to back.

Like the Flames themselves have been saying, that team effort is a win most games.

[dino7c]

two out of six isn't good enough

Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, and SJ on the road is about as hard a schedule to start the season as possible though...pretty similar tone to one year ago on here and the team finished with 107 points. Need to give it a few more games before panicking

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

Flames played fine. One bad play on the shortie and a bad break on goal 1. Especially on a back to back.

Likes the Flames themselves have been saying, that game is a win most games.

Special teams should have been the difference tonight in a good way. Instead, 0/4 and gave up a shorty.

Special Teams are actually a bit concerning dating back to last year:

18th PP last year.
21st PP this year.

21st PK last year.
13th PK this year.

We should be better at these things.

[Mayo]

Seemed like a more complete game tonight

It's still early in the season - but we need some W's sooner than later - cannot always count on 2nd half runs

[calgarywinning]

Love this. Some Flames fans are like an unpinned grenades in a trench.

It's so negative.

Let's just take a short walk back to last season and where were the St. Louis blues before the Christmas break?

Maybe we could somehow get Neal back in a trade that included Jankowksi.

[djsFlames]

Learning not to get too invested in every single game and get stuck on that rollercoaster ride.

If they win enough to make the dance after 82, then great. How they go about getting there isn't a big concern. I think we know they have another gear or two. Wandering to the ledge after every loss is a tiresome routine and I'm hoping to participate in it less this time around.

Lots of season to get it figured out. These guys are notoriously slow to get there, but they do.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man... man man man.

Frolik
Ryan
Bennett
Jankowski
Mangiapane

These are the Flames' 6-10 forwards.

These five guys collectively averaged 17 goals per 82 games last year. Averaged! And they're all depth guys...

The NHL is a really good league but it's not that good. The Flames' depth is fine. They've played a few bad games to start the year but there is still plenty of reason for hope.

Bit of an odd stat to post seeing that not one of those guys actually scored 17 goals last season.

[MisterJoji]

For those ragging on Derek Ryan he had 9 points through 30 games at the start of last season and then 17 points in the last 25 games. He’s also averaged 35 points/year the last 3 years. His points will come as will the rest of the bottom 6.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Bit of an odd stat to post seeing that not one of those guys actually scored 17 goals last season.

per 82.

[SportsJunky]

What is needed is a ritual sacrifice. One of the posters with the frogs or salamanders should offer it up to the hockey gods.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Janko was already traded if Kadri would have waived...he would not clear

Bennett is the most valuable and could fetch more than a 3rd

I seriously doubt that. Yakupov got a 4th only and actually out produced sam. Bennett is not going to have much value around the league. Better off keeping them.

Anything that can be had for janko, frolik, or brodie (or any combination therein) should be taken.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man... man man man.

Frolik
Ryan
Bennett
Jankowski
Mangiapane

These are the Flames' 6-10 forwards.

These five guys collectively averaged 17 goals per 82 games last year. Averaged! And they're all depth guys...

The NHL is a really good league but it's not that good. The Flames' depth is fine. They've played a few bad games to start the year but there is still plenty of reason for hope.

Frolik and particularly jankowski hurt this team with lazy/ cowardly play, stone hands, and lack of on ice awareness. They should be sent packing asap.

Ryan and mangiapane shouldnf be included in the conversation and Bennett should not be moved out of the bottom 6 again. All of them are worthwhile depth though. Dont lump in our functional bottom Sixers with losers like janko. He belongs below lucic in terms of player worthiness

[Saqe]

Frolik should be paid what Ryan is, about 3 million per. But when you're paying a guy who doesn't move the needle much at all and ideally should be in your bottom six 4.3 million for a ridiculous five years, it's a mistake.



Even with today's cap there is no one who would give Frolik that kind of contract.

[EldrickOnIce]

PP has not helped what is a disappointing start to the season.
Results will come if the 3ffort continues

[GirlySports]

The team has no jump. They don't care.

I watched the Habs beat the Blues on Saturday. The Habs have nobody but just watch the effort.

[UKflames]

I'm actually starting to wonder if Peters got to option of the line blender is becoming part of the problem. If we fail to score or fall behind out it comes and players have no idea who they are spending the next shift with. There is a real lack of chemistry in this team at the moment and blending the lines for 2 out of 3 periods every game isn't helping that.
#2RW is a prime example, players get a period or two to prove they belong or they get dropped back down the lines. This isn't just Bennett, Mangipane got the same treatment. Yes he ended up on his ass a lot but maybe that means he should be the shooter and Tkachuck should be the one on the boards digging out pucks, he is supposed to be the feisty one after all.
With everyone worrying about who they are playing with or being completly jumbled it is no wonder that the bottom 3 lines are struggling to get anything going.