Goalies and SO wins

[the_only_turek_fan]

Congrats to MAF. 500 wins is a huge accomplishment.

However, why do goalies and coaches get SO wins credited to them but players don’t get the goals?

IMO, SO wins should be credited as ties so you can compare goalies pre 2004 and goalies post 2004.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Congrats to MAF. 500 wins is a huge accomplishment.

However, why do goalies and coaches get SO wins credited to them but players don’t get the goals?

IMO, SO wins should be credited as ties so you can compare goalies pre 2004 and goalies post 2004.

It would see counter intuitive to record a goalie’s result as a tie when they don’t exist giving skaters credit for goals for SO would be foolish as they don’t take place during competitive play.


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[Mattman]

I think I'm confused here. MAF's 500th win was a Shut Out, but it seems like the context you are referring to is Shoot Outs.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mattman

I think I'm confused here. MAF's 500th win was a Shut Out, but it seems like the context you are referring to is Shoot Outs.

Yeah I was confused for a second as well.

There are countless variables that have changed each decade. You can’t make it “even” personal stat wise no matter how many hoops you jump through.

[transplant99]

Color me confused as well.

MAF has 500 wins ( remarkable achievement with 69 of them via shut out) no matter how they came. 60+ minutes of work usually, either way.

Shooters getting credit for goals scored in a shoot out dont matter because the goaltenders dont get credit for saves in the shoot out.

[Geeoff]

The Blackhawks won 2-0. That's a win in any era, no?

[dino7c]

I think some of you are missing his point

he has 500 wins but some of them are in the shootout (3 on 3 too) It's hard to judge the numbers historically when for most of hockey history those games would be ties.

[CroFlames]

Was never a fan of the shoot out.

Why are North Americans so allergic to a tie game? Is a gimmicky ass shootout really that much better than seeing two teams battle it out to a draw?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by transplant99

MAF has 500 wins ( remarkable achievement with 69 of them via shut out)

nice

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why are North Americans so allergic to a tie game? Is a gimmicky ass shootout really that much better than seeing two teams battle it out to a draw?

North Americans aren't allergic to tie games. The NHL thinks Americans will refuse to watch any game that can end in a tie. I remember them kvetching about it as far back as the 1980s. (Some of them even thought Americans hated hockey because the games are not divided into four quarters like football and basketball. I guess those guys never heard of baseball.)

In just the same way, the big New York publishers all thought kids would refuse to read any book longer than about 200 pages. So they all turned down Harry Potter, and Scholastic Books published it and got insanely rich. And everybody in Hollywood knew that moviegoers were too racist to accept black movie stars, until suddenly it turned out that they weren't.

Underestimating one's audience is a long and sorry tradition in the various American entertainment industries. Sports is no exception.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think some of you are missing his point

he has 500 wins but some of them are in the shootout (3 on 3 too) It's hard to judge the numbers historically when for most of hockey history those games would be ties.

This is what I am trying to say. Thanks.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Color me confused as well.

MAF has 500 wins ( remarkable achievement with 69 of them via shut out) no matter how they came. 60+ minutes of work usually, either way.

Shooters getting credit for goals scored in a shoot out dont matter because the goaltenders dont get credit for saves in the shoot out.

I feel it’s unfair for goalies who played pre 2004 with no SO compared to goalies post 2005 who have someone inflated win totals due to the SO.

Not trying to take away anything from MAF.

Just how many more wins Roy, Fuhr, Vernon, etc would have had if they had SOs in their time.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Nine of the top ten single season wins totals are post 2005.

Kiprusoff is on that list.

That record is skewed IMO.

The lone one is Bernie Parent with 47 wins in 1973-74. Incredible.

47 wins in 80 games with no SOs.

[Jay Random]

The sad thing is, it’s not just goalies' records that are skewed by shootout wins. Every single team record is skewed in the same direction and for the same reason.

The shootout and loser point: Hockey's answer to the participation medal.