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Old 04-07-2014, 03:18 PM   #21
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Kanye West once said that he was the new Kurt Cobain lol.
Not going to derail this thread, but in a lot of ways, he probably is.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:48 PM   #22
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Was anyone at this show? I wish I would have seen Nirvana.
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Yes, and Courtney Love is still free too. I don't buy conspiracy theories but her guilt in arranging his murder is not a conspiracy, it is a damn certainty.

That's a pretty direct accusation. A certainty? I don't know enough about what happened but I really doubt it's a damn certainty.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:06 PM   #24
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Yeah, even that Kurt and Courtney film that supposedly shows it was a murder, ends with the director agreeing that suicide was likely the cause.

It was really interesting to see just how controlling Courtney was. Also a little sad to hear that a week before killing himself, on top of not being able to handle fame anymore, that he also got upset at his daughter not going to him and saying "My own daughter doesn't know me anymore".
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Was anyone at this show? I wish I would have seen Nirvana.
More people say that went to that show than can fit in the Corral.
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I think I was in Edmonton when they went through for their only performance there. I wish I could say I was there.
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Here is the trailer to Soaked in Bleach.. more conspiracy information etc.

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:19 AM   #28
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No. Just... no. Im not the biggest KC fan, but that is a downright insult to his memory.
I see you're new to the site... (and all the people that thanked your post...)



As for Courtney and Kurt, there's no way she killed him, total conspiracy. She may have been a crappy girlfriend, but she's no killer. Nor do I believe she could mastermind something like that anyway. Not saying she's stupid, just that it's hard to get away with murder AND being a bit of a trainwreck she probably would have spilled the beans long ago.

The guy was depressed, suicidal, and an addict. Not sure why it's so hard for people to believe. Just comes down to people can't accept it I think. Which isn't unusual, how long did people think Elvis was still alive?



As for his music, I do have a bit of a funny admission. I didn't like it for quite sometime even though I was close to the perfect age for it. I remember a bunch of my friends liking Nevermind in grade seven and just thinking, 'what a ###### this Cobain guy was. Loser whiny drug addict.' And I knew, even then, that a lot of the music they played, didn't take much musical talent. Heck a lot of those songs are the first ones they teach when you're taking guitar lessons. They're easy.

On that note, I do think that most of my classmates liked him, not because they truly understood the music, or cared about the ideas or message or whatever, but because it was rebellious and popular for that age group. And me being more of a 'goody-goody' for lack of a better term, rejected it.

When he killed himself I remember thinking, 'yeah, that makes sense' and even though I gradually got a more nuanced (and yes rebellious, but a lot of metal and industrial) look on life and music in my later teens, I could still never accept Nirvana for what they were and the impact they had, even kinda looking down on them and the people who had this cult like worship of them .

Finally in my early adult years I gave them another listen and started to enjoy them. I still knew it wasn't the most complicated music in the world, in fact, most of it was damn simple, but I could feel the emotion and musings for what they were. I could respect how different it was from what came before (by before I mean the pop and hair rock of the 80's, as grunge didn't begin with Nirvana, far from it, but they did popularize it), even if it was simple. Sometimes the simplest solutions make the most sense. Knowing more about rock and music in general, I was able to admit just how important they were as a band. And I begin to really like them.

They won't ever crack into my favorite bands, but my opinion on them has taken quite the 180 from when I first listened to them, which is a funny thing to look back on and admit. It's one of those situations where people go, 'oh I wish I was there for that,' and I actually was, but I rejected it.
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Was anyone at this show? I wish I would have seen Nirvana.

Off Topic, but the Westward Club had some good shows go through.
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I was a huge fan as a young teenager. In fact, my signature is a reference to Kurt Cobain (assuming it is still there as I turned off signatures), and I still like his music.

Over the years though, I have read a lot about Nirvana and Kurt Cobain and came to the conclusion that he was a bit of an ####### and probably not the kind of person I would have liked as a friend. In fact, I don't think he was the kind of person that he liked, which I think he often displayed through his self-loathing. He was extremely conflicted.
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the man shot himself and he had a little daughter?
wow what a hero and idol....brave man!
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the man shot himself and he had a little daughter?
wow what a hero and idol....brave man!
No one here saying he's either. He was just broken.
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I keep hearing this "conspiracy" around his death, can someone explain what the conspiracy is? I saw the tail end of a documentary once and all I could gather from it was that he died from a shotgun blast to the head but the area around him was far to clean. Like he was killed elsewhere and moved.

Is that about it?
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wow what a hero and idol....brave man!

People who truly hate themselves often feel in their hearts that the people around them would be better off without them in the long run. Often for someone with terrible guilt issues about always hurting the ones they love, they feel that it's like ripping off a band-aid.

It's why one of the warning signs for someone who is suicidal is that they hide from the people who care about them, but that only works for so long until they realize that that also hurts them.

I don't think he was a hero or an idol... just an interesting and talented artist with some serious personality and emotional issues.
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I keep hearing this "conspiracy" around his death, can someone explain what the conspiracy is? I saw the tail end of a documentary once and all I could gather from it was that he died from a shotgun blast to the head but the area around him was far to clean. Like he was killed elsewhere and moved.

Is that about it?
There was also a guy who claims that Courtney Love approached him about putting a hit on KB. I have also heard some people say that the shot gun used was too big for a small guy like KB to kill himself with, but if that were the case, the police for sure would have noticed.

While I personally feel that she wasn't good for him and was probably a contributing factor to him killing himself, I don't think she conspired in any way. She just isn't that smart or good of an actor. If there was even an ounce of credible evidence, the police would have loved to take that case on.
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wow what a hero and idol....brave man!
2/10 troll job. Try again.
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Tell me more dissentowner... I'm unfamiliar with the theory.

I don't want to hate Courtney Love because Live Through This is a grunge masterpiece. All killer no filler.
Wouldn't be surprised if the rumours that Kurt ghost wrote alot of that album were true, I don't think it's a coincidence that post-Kurt Hole was complete garbage.
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Wouldn't be surprised if the rumours that Kurt ghost wrote alot of that album were true, I don't think it's a coincidence that post-Kurt Hole was complete garbage.
The Smashing Pumpkins dude supposedly ghost wrote the rest of Hole's work.
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