[Trade] Hurricanes trade Fox to NYR for 2nd+Cond. 3rd UPD: Fox signs ELC

[crapshoot]

I have nothing against Adam Fox, and I sincerely hope he goes on to have a long and prosperous carreer in the AHL.

[Reggie Dunlop]

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It's official.

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Not really.

Carolina got:
1 year of Ferland
3 years of Hamilton
2 - 2nds

Flames got:
6 years of Hanifin
6 years of Linholm

They also had a great season this year and are also a game away from the Conference finals with those players, whereas "6 years of Hanifin and 6 years of Lindholm" have loooong been eliminated.

Plus is it confirmed Dougie won't re-sign with Carolina? Also, two 2nd round picks is pretty good.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

They also had a great season this year and are also a game away from the Conference finals with those players, whereas "6 years of Hanifin and 6 years of Lindholm" have loooong been eliminated.

Plus is it confirmed Dougie won't re-sign with Carolina? Also, two 2nd round picks is pretty good.

It was one hell of a trade for both teams.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

They also had a great season this year and are also a game away from the Conference finals with those players, whereas "6 years of Hanifin and 6 years of Lindholm" have loooong been eliminated.

Plus is it confirmed Dougie won't re-sign with Carolina? Also, two 2nd round picks is pretty good.

Give me a break.
They didn't have a great season, the Canes were a wild card team.
The Flames were the top team in the West.
Hamilton had a down year.
Ferland was nothing special and is going UFA.
Hanifin had 6 less points than Hamilton and is signed on a sweet deal.
Lindholm had a career year and is on an amazing contract.
Two seconds are not that good. It's decent but does't get you a good NHLer.
Sure Flames disappointed in the playoffs compared to the Canes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Flames crushed this deal in every aspect of the trade.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Give me a break.
They didn't have a great season, the Canes were a wild card team.
The Flames were the top team in the West.
Hamilton had a down year.
Ferland was nothing special and is going UFA.
Hanifin had 6 less points than Hamilton and is signed on a sweet deal.
Lindholm had a career year and is on an amazing contract.
Two seconds are not that good. It's decent but does't get you a good NHLer.
Sure Flames disappointed in the playoffs compared to the Canes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Flames crushed this deal in every aspect of the trade.

I wouldn't say in every aspect, as you don't know the future.

When the deal was made, the majority of posters hated it.

Today it looks great. Who knows how it will look in a few years?

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Give me a break.
They didn't have a great season, the Canes were a wild card team.
The Flames were the top team in the West.
Hamilton had a down year.
Ferland was nothing special and is going UFA.
Hanifin had 6 less points than Hamilton and is signed on a sweet deal.
Lindholm had a career year and is on an amazing contract.
Two seconds are not that good. It's decent but does't get you a good NHLer.
Sure Flames disappointed in the playoffs compared to the Canes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Flames crushed this deal in every aspect of the trade.

All that sounds great, but isn't on-ice success the most important thing? If the 'Canes go to the conference final, or even the Stanley Cup Finals, you don't think they do this trade again in a heartbeat?

And yes Carolina had 99 points and the Flames 107, but in the weaker Western conference in a garbage Pacific division. If the Hurricanes and Flames met in the playoffs this year, who do you think would win?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

All that sounds great, but isn't on-ice success the most important thing? If the 'Canes go to the conference final, or even the Stanley Cup Finals, you don't think they do this trade again in a heartbeat?

And yes Carolina had 99 points and the Flames 107, but in the weaker Western conference in a garbage Pacific division. If the Hurricanes and Flames met in the playoffs this year, who do you think would win?

That has very little to do with evaluating a trade.
You assess the parts involved not the teams success.
You don't think that Mrazek, McBackup, Aho, TT, Nino, Slavin, Faulk and BrindAmour have something to do with it as well? Assessing a trade based on a teams playoff success or failure is ludicrous.

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That has very little to do with evaluating a trade.
You assess the parts involved not the teams success.
You don't think that Mrazek, McBackup, Aho, TT, Nino, Slavin, Faulk and BrindAmour have something to do with it as well? Assessing a trade based on a teams playoff success or failure is ludicrous.

So if a trade looks great on paper, but the team bombs, it is still a good trade?

Would you trade Monahan for Greg McKegg if it guaranteed the Flames a Stanley Cup next season? Based on what you've said that would be a bad trade because on-ice success means nothing when evaluating a trade, even though I thought the whole point was to win.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I wouldn't say in every aspect, as you don't know the future.

When the deal was made, the majority of posters hated it.

Today it looks great. Who knows how it will look in a few years?

Wasn't there a poll where the majority of the posters loved it? Or do you mean Cane fans?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That has very little to do with evaluating a trade.
You assess the parts involved not the teams success.
You don't think that Mrazek, McBackup, Aho, TT, Nino, Slavin, Faulk and BrindAmour have something to do with it as well? Assessing a trade based on a teams playoff success or failure is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

So if a trade looks great on paper, but the team bombs, it is still a good trade?

Would you trade Monahan for Greg McKegg if it guaranteed the Flames a Stanley Cup next season? Based on what you've said that would be a bad trade because on-ice success means nothing when evaluating a trade, even though I thought the whole point was to win.

You missed the meat of that post.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

You missed the meat of that post.

Well, you did open the door when you lead with the Flames success as a team.

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

You missed the meat of that post.

Obviously all the players create a mix that either succeeds or doesn't. Trades adjust that mix.

You also didn't answer my question.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well, you did open the door when you lead with the Flames success as a team.

Because it's not how you guage a trade.
The Flames traded Brett Hull for Ramage and Wamsley and they won the cup. Did they win that trade? Not a chance, but it's nice that they won the cup that year.

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[Flamenspiel]

I don’t know, to me Dougie looked very much like a passenger out there, particularly in game 3. To me the biggest changes are the addition of Foegel, Niederreiter, and the improvement in coaching and goaltending. According to the Carolina media, the conditioning of the team is much improved and the practices were run at a much higher pace.

[Vinny01]

This did work out for everyone and at the end of the day no one is empty handed. I don’t like how a decent prospect can dictate where he wants to play before he even enters the league. The Flames picked him in the 3rd round and were able to use him as a valuable trade chip in a very beneficial move for the organization. The Hurricanes are likely going to get multiple 2nd round picks for him. New York gets a likely NHL ready prospect that could be an impact player or could be a Jimmy Vesey? Where they are in their rebuild this is a great trade for them as well.

[Fire]

If Fox signed with the Canes it might have been his best shot at a Stanley Cup in his entire career.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Give me a break.
They didn't have a great season, the Canes were a wild card team.
The Flames were the top team in the West.
Hamilton had a down year.
Ferland was nothing special and is going UFA.
Hanifin had 6 less points than Hamilton and is signed on a sweet deal.
Lindholm had a career year and is on an amazing contract.
Two seconds are not that good. It's decent but does't get you a good NHLer.
Sure Flames disappointed in the playoffs compared to the Canes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Flames crushed this deal in every aspect of the trade.

Canes did have a good season. 99 points in the deeper conference. Huge improvement over last year.

If anything the playoffs have kind of diminished the magnitude of this deal for the moment. Hanifin and Lindholm pretty much no showed for the Flames (they had company) while Ferland has hardly played. Hamilton has been productive but haven’t seen him play great in what I have watched.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Because it's not how you guage a trade.
The Flames traded Brett Hull for Ramage and Wamsley and they won the cup. Did they win that trade? Not a chance, but it's nice that they won the cup that year.

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The fact is, it was some of your opening points in judging that trade.

I don’t think it’s relevant, but you obviously did.

The Hull trade was different. The Flames did not lose that trade because they won the Cup. Both teams were winners.


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[dino7c]

I HATE this logic that a team won a trade because they went further in the playoffs the following season...so dumb

There are many other factors on both sides

By this logic the Oilers won the Hall trade