03-14-2019, 01:30 PM
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#2001
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Team defense is also huge when evaluating goalie performance.
Here's an interesting visual I saw today (not sure how to embed tweet):
https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/s...78822779666432
link to chart: https://public.tableau.com/profile/s...oveexpectation
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03-14-2019, 01:45 PM
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#2002
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
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Here is the same data (and source), but looking at GSAA as a pace through the season.
Rittich
Smith
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03-14-2019, 01:54 PM
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#2003
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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I can’t wait till this season comes to an end and the option of Smith in net is literally torn out of some posters hands for debate.
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03-14-2019, 02:08 PM
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#2004
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
I can’t wait till this season comes to an end and the option of Smith in net is literally torn out of some posters hands for debate.
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TBH I would take a flyer on Smith if he comes cheap for a backup role if Tre can't find any new goalies for a decent price.
Still not convinced Gillies is ready for the big leagues yet.
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03-14-2019, 02:11 PM
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#2005
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Bringing back Smith would not be a very smart decision.
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03-14-2019, 02:13 PM
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#2006
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Here is the same data (and source), but looking at GSAA as a pace through the season.
Rittich
Smith
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Not quite.
The link to what Sean Tierney was making a point about is the xFSV% - which in his opinion is a way of quantifying the impact of team defense on a goalie.
Mike Smith appears to be near the bottom, with Rittich somewhere in the middle of the pack.
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Pylon on the Edmonton Oilers:
"I am actually more excited for the Oilers game tomorrow than the Flames game. I am praying for multiple jersey tosses. The Oilers are my new favourite team for all the wrong reasons. I hate them so much I love them."
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03-14-2019, 02:15 PM
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#2007
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Mike Smith has been the Glen Gulutzan of goalies this year. The absolute worst.
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03-14-2019, 02:15 PM
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#2008
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic
TBH I would take a flyer on Smith if he comes cheap for a backup role if Tre can't find any new goalies for a decent price.
Still not convinced Gillies is ready for the big leagues yet.
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Man, the meltdown on CP (me included) would be something else if that actually happens.
I just don't see it. I think Smith is done as an NHL goaltender at the conclusion of this season.
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03-14-2019, 02:22 PM
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#2009
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic
TBH I would take a flyer on Smith if he comes cheap for a backup role if Tre can't find any new goalies for a decent price.
Still not convinced Gillies is ready for the big leagues yet.
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The "old "let's bring back so and so if we can get them for a cheap deal". It has been said about Wideman, Stajan and most other player who played out his contract here.
Any player that could come in at below market price is worth considering but Smith is pretty far down the list for me. Like right around last.
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03-14-2019, 02:51 PM
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#2010
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
Not quite.
The link to what Sean Tierney was making a point about is the xFSV% - which in his opinion is a way of quantifying the impact of team defense on a goalie.
Mike Smith appears to be near the bottom, with Rittich somewhere in the middle of the pack.
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Your chart was gsaa for the whole season.
The two I posted is the same ... expected vs actual goals against but charting as a rolling value through the season.
Unless I'm mistaken they are the exact same data.
the GSAA chart used to have the two with a huge disparity, but it's been tightening for months.
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03-14-2019, 02:53 PM
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#2011
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
I can’t wait till this season comes to an end and the option of Smith in net is literally torn out of some posters hands for debate.
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He's on the roster no?
If not then I'm sorry and you have a point.
If he is, which I really think is the case, then it would be pretty foolish to not have it as a topic for debate.
I'll be the first to admit I'm not sold on either option at the moment, and I wish there was a third guy to bring into the picture, but I don't think it likely.
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03-14-2019, 02:57 PM
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#2012
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
...I'll be the first to admit I'm not sold on either option at the moment, and I wish there was a third guy to bring into the picture, but I don't think it likely.
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What do you see happening this summer, Bingo?
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03-14-2019, 03:01 PM
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#2013
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
Not quite.
The link to what Sean Tierney was making a point about is the xFSV% - which in his opinion is a way of quantifying the impact of team defense on a goalie.
Mike Smith appears to be near the bottom, with Rittich somewhere in the middle of the pack.
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Nah. Both fall into the category of easy work with bad results. Rittich somewhat better, obviously, but not a whole lot actually.
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03-14-2019, 03:14 PM
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#2014
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
What do you see happening this summer, Bingo?
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I think a lot of it depends on the next month or so.
If Rittich can wrestle back the number one spot and run with it, ... either now or in the playoffs then they add a veteran backup to play 25 games and they're set.
If he doesn't ... they need to go hard after a proven number one, and bring back Rittich to back him up.
Through November I thought it was the former, fingers still crossed.
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03-14-2019, 03:20 PM
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#2015
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Your chart was gsaa for the whole season.
The two I posted is the same ... expected vs actual goals against but charting as a rolling value through the season.
Unless I'm mistaken they are the exact same data.
the GSAA chart used to have the two with a huge disparity, but it's been tightening for months.
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Take a look at the first link in the post, and then go to the tableau link. Sorry, I don't know how to make his tableau show that chart. But it is in the "heatmap" tab, and then sorted for xFenwick%.
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Pylon on the Edmonton Oilers:
"I am actually more excited for the Oilers game tomorrow than the Flames game. I am praying for multiple jersey tosses. The Oilers are my new favourite team for all the wrong reasons. I hate them so much I love them."
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03-14-2019, 03:56 PM
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#2016
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
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Well based on this, it seems like Lehner or Bishop should maybe win the Vezina over Vasilevsky. But Lehner only has 20 wins. Bishop only has 23.
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Bringing back Smith would not be a very smart decision.
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Even if Smith had decent numbers this year, I would still be hesitant to bring him back.
It's been 5+ years. The Flames need to be developing goalies, and they need to find good long term options - even if it means having some growing pains.
This summer, there will be options that are much better than Mike Smith.
Whether Raanta, Khubodin, or Lehner will be available is up in the air.
Even then, the Flames may be able to acquire Broissoit, Bobrovsky, Nilsson, Varlamov (doubtfully), Grubauer, Ullmark.
Everyone listed above has more upside than Smith IMO, and I'd be fine running Rittich in atandem with any of them.
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03-14-2019, 04:17 PM
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#2017
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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I don't know if I have seen anyone post their thoughts/opinions on what seems to have put Rittich in his slump?
I know the thread is about Smith, but it seems to be more about Calgary goaltending overall. Cheers and thanks.
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03-14-2019, 04:23 PM
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#2018
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaikorven
I don't know if I have seen anyone post their thoughts/opinions on what seems to have put Rittich in his slump?
I know the thread is about Smith, but it seems to be more about Calgary goaltending overall. Cheers and thanks.
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I think this goes back to a question I raised earlier...
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
So how does one determine "normal performance level"?...
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Is Rittich in a slump? Or is his current play more indicative of what he is?
I really do not think that we can know at this point.
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03-14-2019, 04:24 PM
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#2019
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Clean the slate at the nhl level. Keep developing goalies at the AHL level that you have.
I don't know. The entire offseason thos year is all about Treliving putting the final piece in net. Its host last objective other than sliding pieces around at fw and d. Minimal work required at those two spots.
If there's a character guy like Smith the locker room can really around but is younger than 30, go get him. Pay a price.
Rittich I think after 2 seasons has shown he has consistency issues over the long run of a season.
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03-14-2019, 05:07 PM
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#2020
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
Take a look at the first link in the post, and then go to the tableau link. Sorry, I don't know how to make his tableau show that chart. But it is in the "heatmap" tab, and then sorted for xFenwick%.
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Which column specifically are you looking at?
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