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Pretty sure the Chinese state isn't collecting our data to sell us ads.
Oh, and the US is? Lol!
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:57 PM   #482
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:58 PM   #483
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Google is.
And you don't think the US government is not accessing all that data? Ya, ok.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:01 PM   #484
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Tell us Nik, what would the Chinese government do with your data? Are a bunch of Chinese going to come storm your house? Steal your cash? Pretty sure they don't need your money. Are they going to come storm your house because you bought McDonalds instead of Wok Express? Please enlighten me what the Chinese government is going to do with your data.

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Old 10-17-2019, 07:01 PM   #486
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Tell us Nik, what would the Chinese government do with your data? Are a bunch of Chinamen going to come storm your house? Steal your cash? Pretty sure they don't need your money. Are they going to come storm your house because you bought McDonalds instead of Wok Express? Please enlighten me what the Chinese government is going to do with your data.
"Chinamen"

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"Chinamen"

oof.
Yeah, my bad, was not aware that was a derogatory term actually. I have always heard that term but never really linked it that way. Way to avoid answering the question though. Oh wait, you can't.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:06 PM   #488
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Not correct. There is no ban at all on any Huawei phones, now or future. Trump lifted that a while ago. I have a Mate 20 Pro, best phone I have ever had easily. Huawei makes great phones.
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Being wrong must be exhausting. The ban was lifted back at the end of June. Here, right from the horses mouth.



Financially it would cripple multiple US companies, there is no current ban nor will there be, this was political moving early on by Trump to get a favourable trade deal, it didn't work. That is checkmate my friend, let it go.
Wait, we are believing words out of Donald Trump's mouth now? Interesting.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:08 PM   #489
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Wait, we are believing words out of Donald Trump's mouth now? Interesting.
Lmao, your whole argument was based off a ban given originally by Donald Trump so thanks for conceding the debate.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:12 PM   #490
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Lmao, your whole argument was based off a ban given originally by Donald Trump so thanks for conceding the debate.
I'm not conceding anything. You haven't shown anything that says as of today there is no ban. The link you provided said the exact opposite. You also haven't shown new Haiwei phones are able to use Google services. The link you provided proved the opposite. If you can't provide anything other than a video of a Cheeto saying stuff back in June, I have no reason to believe you. Is that not obvious?
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I'm not conceding anything, you muppet. You haven't shown anything that says as of today there is no ban. The link you provided said the exact opposite. You also haven't shown new Haiwei phones are able to use Google services. The link you provided proved the opposite. If you can't provide anything other than a video of a Cheeto saying stuff back in June, I have no reason to believe you. Is that not obvious?
And there it is, losing the debate so you have to bring the personal attack. Pathetic. I am done here, once it escalates to this level there is no discussion.
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Well I'm not wrong. And I did edit the muppet bit out almost immediately, because I knew you couldn't handle a little prodding.
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Are you a Chinese national dissentower, or do you have some other stake in Huawei? It's just so odd that you're so ferociously defending them. Say you're right and they are completely private with zero government control (ya right), they're still paying millions in taxes to the government, so your money is still going to support a totalitarian regime running the largest concentration camps since the holocaust and trying to stamp out any attempt at democratic reform with an iron fist

If a North Korean company somehow came out with a killer phone and swore they had no ties to the government, would you buy it?
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Are you a Chinese national dissentower, or do you have some other stake in Huawei? It's just so odd that you're so ferociously defending them. Say you're right and they are completely private with zero government control (ya right), they're still paying millions in taxes to the government, so your money is still going to support a totalitarian regime running the largest concentration camps since the holocaust and trying to stamp out any attempt at democratic reform with an iron fist

If a North Korean company somehow came out with a killer phone and swore they had no ties to the government, would you buy it?
Not at all, I think the Chinese government is horrible. I just don't see Huawei as this evil company that wants to destroy the world, I like their phones and I think their tech is cutting edge. I think they will play a large part in development of better 5G technology as well and it would be nice if the tech sector for all countries worked well together for the betterment of humanity. What I don't like is Trump trying to use them as a bargaining chip for a better trade deal. If Huawei was such a threat there is no way he would have backed off on supplying them with parts. As far as the Chinese government goes I do not disagree with you one bit, terrible.
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Not at all, I think the Chinese government is horrible. I just don't see Huawei as this evil company that wants to destroy the world, I like their phones and I think their tech is cutting edge. I think they will play a large part in development of better 5G technology as well and it would be nice if the tech sector for all countries worked well together for the betterment of humanity. What I don't like is Trump trying to use them as a bargaining chip for a better trade deal. If Huawei was such a threat there is no way he would have backed off on supplying them with parts. As far as the Chinese government goes I do not disagree with you one bit, terrible.

OK ignoring all of the government stuff, the only reason Huawei has cutting edge tech is because of rampant intellectual property theft. Have you forgotten Nortel? They were a global leader in the industry until Huawei stole all their IP and started releasing the same equipment at lower costs. They have an unfair advantage over any other company in that they don't need to abide by patents, they should be banned everywhere outside China for that alone
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The thing about stupid people is they don't realize they are stupid. That was extremely painful to read. Just dreadful.
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OK ignoring all of the government stuff, the only reason Huawei has cutting edge tech is because of rampant intellectual property theft. Have you forgotten Nortel? They were a global leader in the industry until Huawei stole all their IP and started releasing the same equipment at lower costs. They have an unfair advantage over any other company in that they don't need to abide by patents, they should be banned everywhere outside China for that alone
Again, accusations with no proof. Huawei was the first to put a wide angle lens in their phones, I guess Apple and Samsung stole that and should be banned.
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Again, accusations with no proof. Huawei was the first to put a wide angle lens in their phones, I guess Apple and Samsung stole that and should be banned.

You will never find hard evidence of Chinese hacking that leads directly to execs or the government, but it was undeniably Chinese hackers that got into Nortel

https://business.financialpost.com/t...cked-to-pieces

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/for...awei-1.1137006

Nortel still had terrible management that allowed this to occur in the first place, but the point still stands that Chinese companies do not adhere to patent law, and that gives them a massive (unfair) advantage to any other tech firm. Just ask anyone who has spent time with Chinese transfer students in university, it's ingrained in their culture to find any advantage, legal or not, and use it for personal gain. Their view is if you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough
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The Chinese have copied cars, Blackhawk helicopters, even the Japanese bullet trains. But yes, it’s with mobile phones where they’ve finally decided to be ethical and totally above board.
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