COVID-19 Vaccine Talk

[opendoor]

While I'm sure it makes sense given the lack of facilities, the number of doses to the territories seems crazy. By the end of February, Yukon will have received nearly 30K doses while having a population of 36K. That's enough for 2 doses for 40% of their population.

[shogged]

Booked my vaccine appointment today, getting it done on Thursday! Pretty slick system AHS has set up to book the appointments, was very easy. I’m pumped

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So I am guessing that starting with the next batch of vaccines that are scheduled to arrive, we will be starting to circle back to give the second shot. If that is the case, then the number of people may start to lag.

It is interesting that Quebec has decided not to double back while supply is limited, and instead hit more people with a single dose first, then double back later.
Not sure if it's a great idea or a bad one.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Torture

Are we though...?

Kenney said we could run out of vaccines by next week.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ndro-1.5868688

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

It is interesting that Quebec has decided not to double back while supply is limited, and instead hit more people with a single dose first, then double back later.
Not sure if it's a great idea or a bad one.

News is reporting this morning that Phizer has threatened to cancel their contract with the Canadian government if Quebec proceeds with this as it constitutes use of the vaccine as it was not intended nor designed to be administered and therefore violates the contract that was signed. Hoping the Feds have a quick and harsh talk with the Quebec government about this. The reports indicated Quebec was considering delaying the second dose as much as several months, not just a few weeks.

[peter12]

We've focused so much on provincial difficulty in administering doses, we've really let up on the federal government's ongoing massive failure to procure enough to meet demand.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by peter12

We've focused so much on provincial difficulty in administering doses, we've really let up on the federal government's ongoing massive failure to procure enough to meet demand.

I too am somewhat concerned as well, looking at their projections, we'll still be under 10% at the end of March.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by peter12

We've focused so much on provincial difficulty in administering doses, we've really let up on the federal government's ongoing massive failure to procure enough to meet demand.

Still going on about this? I though the G7 was your standard:

Canada:

-~160 doses per 1,000 people by March
-guaranteed doses of currently approved vaccines for ~50% of the population by June (potentially closer to 75% if other vaccines are approved before then)

USA:

-~600 doses per 1,000 people by March
-guaranteed doses for ~55% of the population by June (higher if other vaccines are approved before then)

UK:

-haven't released specific quarterly numbers, but it looks like about 5-600 doses per 1,000 people by March
-based on their 2M a week goal, they should have enough doses for about 60% of their population by June.
-However, they're using a largely untested regimen on a vaccine with relatively low efficacy to achieve those numbers. This was necessary because they only ordered enough doses from the more successful mRNA vaccines to cover about 40% of their population in all of 2021.

Japan:

-Not even starting Pfizer doses until February/March
-Moderna isn't expected to be approved until May under the best-case scenario

Germany/France/Italy:

-155 doses per 1,000 of currently approved vaccines by March
-guaranteed doses of currently approved vaccines for ~25% of the population by June.
-Could be as high as 65% if 3 other candidates get approval before then, but by that same metric every other country's first half % will be higher if that happens too.

So the US and UK got a faster start and will be well ahead of Canada through Q1 (though the UK is using a questionable vaccine to achieve that), but Canada will likely move faster in Q2 to catch up; the entire EU is likely on par with or behind Canada through Q1-Q2; and Japan isn't even starting for months. The only country I'd put clearly ahead of Canada is the US, and then probably the UK; even considering they're relying on a much less effective vaccine their coverage should be quite good by the end of Q1.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I too am somewhat concerned as well, looking at their projections, we'll still be under 10% at the end of March.

It's been less than ideal so far, agreed.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by peter12

It's been less than ideal so far, agreed.

Based on what metric?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GGG

Based on what metric?

The glaring lack of cooperation between the provinces and the federal government being the biggest one.

Lack of transparency.

Changing timelines.

Threat of an election.

You want more?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

News is reporting this morning that Phizer has threatened to cancel their contract with the Canadian government if Quebec proceeds with this as it constitutes use of the vaccine as it was not intended nor designed to be administered and therefore violates the contract that was signed. Hoping the Feds have a quick and harsh talk with the Quebec government about this. The reports indicated Quebec was considering delaying the second dose as much as several months, not just a few weeks.

All I can find is the typical language you might expect. Nothing like threatening to cancel supply, just stuff like this.

A Pfizer spokesperson said the company "cannot confirm that such consequences have been implied," but that "Pfizer has continued to encourage public health authorities across Canada to follow the Health Canada authorized dosing intervals."

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montre...1_5262256.html

I would be happy to read anything that indicated a stronger stance. In article linked above, Legault has already said they would comply if not doing so threatened supply.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by peter12

The glaring lack of cooperation between the provinces and the federal government being the biggest one.

Lack of transparency.

Changing timelines.

Threat of an election.

You want more?

I’d like you to expand on changing of timelines. My understanding was we have been 6 million by end of March and everyone who wants in end of September for quite a while.

Also for lack of transparency what would you be looking for in addition to what we have today? We have rough volume through to September and detailed volumes through the end of Feb and it appears these targets are being hit.

I don’t see the lack of co-operation as much as political posturing on who is causing delays When in reality the global supply of vaccine is causing the delay of which Canada is getting more than its share due to pretty good procurement. So you have the feds saying you got to get it in people’s arms and the provinces saying we are out. I see that as a positive tension that should drive better performance

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

News is reporting this morning that Phizer has threatened to cancel their contract with the Canadian government

Odd, as the feds just announced we've acquired another 20million doses from them?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...id19-1.5869906

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Odd, as the feds just announced we've acquired another 20million doses from them?



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...id19-1.5869906

This is great news.

Hopefully Alberta can get some doses faster as we've demonstrated the ability to deploy does quite quickly.

Very happy to see AHS step up after a slow start.

[woob]

Originally Posted by peter12

The glaring lack of cooperation between the provinces and the federal government being the biggest one.

Lack of transparency.

Changing timelines.

Threat of an election.

You want more?

Michelle Rempel? Is that you?

[Julio]

5527 doses reported yesterday, and over 52000 doses total given.

[MegaErtz]

I got the first dose of the Moderna vaccine today. Does anyone know if the second dose is the same as the first dose?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I got the first dose of the Moderna vaccine today. Does anyone know if the second dose is the same as the first dose?

Exactly the same

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I got the first dose of the Moderna vaccine today. Does anyone know if the second dose is the same as the first dose?

Same dose, and it's worth remembering that side effects are more common after the 2nd dose than the 1st.