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Old 01-13-2021, 01:11 PM   #2501
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I think the issue is that all the improbable fight scenes in the first movie that were somewhat cool become kind of redundant in the sequels to the point where Chapter 3 wasn't really that great. I get that he's the best hitman of the bunch but surely other qualified hitmen could surmise better plans than simply running up to him with a knife or gun in their hand when simply hiding on a roof with a sniper rifle would take care of business quickly and easily. Why do men with guns even run at the person they are trying to kill when they can just stand there from a distance and unload their clips in him while he's fighting several other dudes in hand to hand combat? I get that you have to suspend your level of disbelief for a movie like this but it becomes a little boring watching the same old scene of several people running at him and getting beat up over and over. I still like the movies but I would hope that they have a better story and more action scene creativity in chapter 4.
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Old 01-13-2021, 01:23 PM   #2502
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I mean almost any movie who's premise starts with "An assassin" you can pretty much immediately dismiss as something that's going to be pretty weak on story. Proceed accordingly.
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Old 01-13-2021, 01:24 PM   #2503
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I mean almost any movie who's premise starts with "An assassin" you can pretty much immediately dismiss as something that's going to be pretty weak on story. Proceed accordingly.
Disagree.
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Old 01-13-2021, 02:55 PM   #2504
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IMO the John Wick movies are perfect at being what they are. Reminds me of Stranger Things in Netflix. Not the best show on television but maybe the best at hitting its mark consistently.
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Old 01-13-2021, 04:00 PM   #2505
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IMO the John Wick movies are perfect at being what they are. Reminds me of Stranger Things in Netflix. Not the best show on television but maybe the best at hitting its mark consistently.
The first John Wick was a rare iconic action movie that came out of nowhere. It resonated because of its simplicity and world building elements. The plot was simple and the story resonated because the character had clear motivations. To me, the movie was about redemption and whether or not it's entirely possible. And then things got blown up and shot real good.

I think the sequels made some (common) mistakes in that they focused in on developing the world building rather than the character.

I want to know more about how the world revolves around John Wick and less about how John Wick fits inside this ever-expanding world. The sequels didn't really do that... to me at least.
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Old 01-13-2021, 05:57 PM   #2506
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Speaking of crap action movies, just watched John Wick 2. Keanu is fine but that was some ridiculous, infantile garbage.

Not in the league of Fast & Furious but still overrated.
I'm with you. I actually didn't mind the first, but the second I felt was like playing Doom with iddqd on. Haven't bothered with the third
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:54 PM   #2507
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I was watching Battle Las Angeles tonight, I forgot how much I liked this movie. Especially since the Aliens fought like soldiers.
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Old 01-13-2021, 11:25 PM   #2508
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Lethal Weapon 1 and 2 were great. Great villain, an insane Gary Busey, Mel Gibson smoking 10 packs a day and running at a sprint for 30 miles while accurately killing bad guys.



The ultimate line


M - "God hates me"
Riggs - "Hate him back it works for me"


3 was terrible, it just didn't work, they took the edge off of Riggs.


I kind of liked 4, but that's because Jet Li was an awesome baddie in that movie, and defined that quiet guy that was awesome when he decided to do something.
I agree, 1 and 2 are the clear standouts from that series. Perfect chemistry between the two leads, great dialogue, terrific action sequences, over the top violence, and a good sense of humor.

3 was pretty weak story-wise and had the worst villain of the series. You could tell they were starting to run out of steam by that point, and it just seemed to be missing that magic ingredient that the first two movies had.

4 was better than 3, but they tried to squeeze in too many characters and went a little overboard with the comedy, resulting in some of the action scenes feeling more like slapstick and less like the pure balls-to-the-wall action flicks that 1 and 2 were. Jet Li was awesome though, especially in this scene:

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Decided to watch "Now You See Me" this afternoon. Found a blu ray version in the local Sally Ann. Loved this one and will have to watch the sequel.

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Maybe lower your expectations on the sequel though.
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The real difference is that Lethal Weapon 1 and 2 were dark action movies.

3 and 4 were buddy comedy action movies.

I mean, most of 1 is about Murtaugh wanting to kill himself. Any laughs were dark comedy.
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Old 01-14-2021, 09:55 AM   #2512
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This is a silly discussion. Watch The Last Boy Scout which is objectively the pinnacle of dark comedy/buddy cop/Shane Black films.
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The real difference is that Lethal Weapon 1 and 2 were dark action movies.

3 and 4 were buddy comedy action movies.

I mean, most of 1 is about Murtaugh wanting to kill himself. Any laughs were dark comedy.
You mean Riggs, Murtaugh was too old for this sh%%

On one side you had a cop close to retirement and ready to go, and probably make sure that he just got through alive, and maybe didn't care as much about being a cop.

On the other side you had an unbalanced suicidal cop, that really didn't care all that much what happened.

It was a great plot balance.


I always kind of chuckle at the writers struggle.


1st movie


The baddies kidnap Murtagh's daughter and try to kill Riggs - "He goes into manic now I'm pissed over drive"


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The baddies kill cops, and then kill Rigg's girl and he finds out his wife was murdered. Riggs has his psychotic break


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Riggs wipes out on a motor cycle and dislocates his shoulder . . . complete psychotic I'm angry now break" He was more angry about falling off a bike then the rookie cop who was murdered just 5 minutes before.


hmmm
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This is a silly discussion. Watch The Last Boy Scout which is objectively the pinnacle of dark comedy/buddy cop/Shane Black films.
I imagine a lot of people have seen The Nice Guys with Crowe/Gosling at this point. If you haven't, it's one of the best movies of this genre in the 2000's.
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I imagine a lot of people have seen The Nice Guys with Crowe/Gosling at this point. If you haven't, it's one of the best movies of this genre in the 2000's.

There are some cult movies that for the life of me I can't explain, but people love it. Personally it labored on, didn't have particularly strong dialogue nor story. A lot of people loved it, so there's a higher probably it's just me.
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There are some cult movies that for the life of me I can't explain, but people love it. Personally it labored on, didn't have particularly strong dialogue nor story. A lot of people loved it, so there's a higher probably it's just me.
IMO it's a brilliant movie so probably just you, but you aren't alone when it comes to not liking what is universally touted as the Avenger movies do nothing for me.
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I imagine a lot of people have seen The Nice Guys with Crowe/Gosling at this point. If you haven't, it's one of the best movies of this genre in the 2000's.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is one of those movies that i could watch a million times and literally laugh out loud every time. Shane Black is great at creating funny personal interactions.

Even Iron Man 3, which wasn't great, had some great personal dialogue.
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There are some cult movies that for the life of me I can't explain, but people love it. Personally it labored on, didn't have particularly strong dialogue nor story. A lot of people loved it, so there's a higher probably it's just me.
No Country For Old Men. You can apply exactly what you wrote to that movie for me so I get it... different strokes and all.
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Tom Hanks new movie, News of the World, is excellent. Wife and I really enjoyed it. Helena Zengel, the young lady who plays opposite Tom was excellent.
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Watched American Skin yesterday - man what a tough watch with all that is going on right now in the US. Thought it was well done and very thought provoking


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