09-22-2021, 02:09 PM
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#21
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Down by the sea, where the watermelons grow, back to my home, I dare not go...
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Originally Posted by bdubbs
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09-22-2021, 02:12 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Buff
If you're not a Ducks fan, why do you care?
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Exactly. An aside from the Ducks, what other actual NHL team has Eakins coached?
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09-22-2021, 02:16 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Exactly. An aside from the Ducks, what other actual NHL team has Eakins coached?
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The Oilers.... oh... NHL team...
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09-22-2021, 02:25 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
It is a retread league. But then again who would you rather have - Dubas or Lou L?
Seriously, I think the issue is owners trust a mediocre track record more than no record at all. After all, look at how Treliving has suffered from hiring a couple guys with little or no HC experience (remember all the “no retreads” calls when GG was hired versus Boudreau).
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Boudreau has .635 career winning percentage. It could take you decades to find a young coach that could win like him. I don't consider him a retread because he's a really good coach. I'm all for hiring an unproven coach that had a good junior or AHL pedigree but if that doesn't work out you kind of need to balance things with the next hire being a coach with a proven record. The thing that bothers me is that guys like Eakins and Yeo keep getting opportunities and I just don't understand how GM's can expect a bad/mediocre head coach to just flip the switch and be really good. A bad coach can ruin the trajectory of a team as well as player development but it doesn't seem to stop GM's from hiring mediocre retreads.
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09-22-2021, 02:30 PM
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#25
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Exactly. I am not against hiring people with a long track record of success, like Boudreau, or Lamoriello. Those guys deserve opportunities because they are genuinely good at their jobs.
There is a long long list of re-treads, like Chiarelli, Maloney in Calgary, that seem to always end up in high level NHL exec roles with really, no real recent success of any kind.
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09-22-2021, 08:20 PM
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#26
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Oh hey, it's the Dilbert Principle in action.
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09-22-2021, 08:25 PM
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#27
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First Line Centre
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"but they get it" thats why they keep getting hired
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09-22-2021, 08:46 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Eakins was sought after as an assistant by a few teams, not really his fault that the Oilers upped the ante to land him by making him head coach, and then setting him up to fail by undermining his authority.
As fans we know about 4% of what goes on behind the scenes especially at the exec level. The contacts these guys have established with player agents, other GM's, other execs etc allow the teams that hire them to have those resources and contacts for trades, draftimg, scouting, recruitment, which take years and years to develop at the level.
Chia, like Eakins and many other Oiler execs was made scape goat for the undermining that is enagaged in above his level with the Oilers. And that same level throws him under the bus and fans lap it up and blame him for everything, while the true architect of the demise has just enough time to lander and cuddle to the press to get put in the HOF 25 years after retirement.
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09-22-2021, 09:41 PM
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#29
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Powerplay Quarterback
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islander fans rejoice!
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09-23-2021, 08:08 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
This news on the heels of John Ferguson Jr being promoted to AGM in Phoenix. Is there another professional league that recycles bad executives and coaches like the NHL?
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As Beatle17 says, they all do. Here's what Michael Lewis had to say about it in Moneyball:
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The game itself is a ruthless competition. Unless you're very good, you don't survive in it. But in the space just off the field of play there really is no level of incompetence that won't be tolerated. There are many reasons for this, but the big one is that baseball has structured itself less as a business than as a social club.…
That's not to say that there are not good baseball executives and bad baseball executives, or good baseball scouts and bad baseball scouts. It's just that they aren't very well sorted out. Baseball doesn't subject its executives to anything like the pressures of playing baseball, or even of running a business. When a big league baseball team spends huge sums of money and loses, heads may roll, but they don't roll very far. Club insiders have a remarkable talent for hanging around, scouting young players, opining on the game, until some other high-level job opens up.… There are no real standards, because no one wants to put too fine a point on the question: what qualifies these people for this job?
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Sound familiar?
It's true that some of the dumbest baseball execs got weeded out because they couldn't or would't cope with sabermetrics, so Lewis's remarks about MLB are somewhat out of date now. The equivalent change is happening much more slowly in hockey, and membership in the Club is still enough to get you a senior job somewhere around the league.
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