2020/2021 English Premier League

[Bagor]

The rules of the games for starters ........

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bagor

The rules of the games for starters ........

I'm bus and probably shouldn't justify this with a response, but you caught me at a weak moment.

I know the rules, but where you and differ is the application of those rules, particularly surrounding VAR. Let's take offside. I know what offside is, and it's fine, but the application of offside with VAR is questionable. They stop the frame and draw a line that is one pixel wide, and that's great. But they don't apply that same accuracy to the point where the ball is passed. And that's where you get this ridiculous issue. They're calling players offside by a very small amount, but there is no control as to when they're adjudicating that small amount. So, it's not a question of whether I know the rule; I do. It's the application of that rule that I object to, because it's not right.

And of course we could get into handball and whether goals should be called back on some of those. Or whether penalties ought to be awarded. Frankly, they've changed this through the season. Penalties we saw awarded for handball at the beginning of the season aren't being awarded now because they've changed that interpretation. I think that's bush league, because those penalties have significant impact. They cost teams points, obviously impact goal differential and by the end of the season that's potentially enormous.

Anyway...you can carry on claiming to be to the one authority on the rules, and it makes no difference to me. If there appears to be confusion though, it's because of the varied interpretation and a lot of that falls to VAR in my opinion.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Slava

I know the rules, but where you and differ is the application of those rules, particularly surrounding VAR.

No. You clearly don't. Otherwise you wouldn't still be arguing the point and attempting to deflect by going off on a sideways tangent to what you said.

Originally Posted by Slava

There’s no way that VAR is defensible with that kind of garbage. That’s not seriously a handball, and no one can possibly think it should be called.

VAR is perfectly defensible on that call because VAR acted exactly the way it should. It alerted the referee to a handball that directly led to a goal that as per the rules deemed the goal to be disallowed.

As per the rules that is "seriously a handball". Whether or not it is accidental is irrelevant to the discussion. That you think it's not clearly demonstrates you don't.

"It is an offence if a player: after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
creates a goal-scoring opportunity"

So yes, VAR was perfectly defensible there and got the call perfectly right on what was "seriously a handball" as per the rules. I don't think anyone is in disagreement here that it is the rule that is the issue. But you seemed to take issue with your lack of understanding of it being pointed out.

This was a perfect example of VAR alerting the ref to an offence he had missed allowing him to reverse a goal to the correct call ....as per the rules of the game.

Slava: VAR is crap. That goal should never have been disallowed. It was never handball
Bagor: Umm, it was the correct call. VAR got it perfectly right.
Slava: Well no surprise there considering there is a conspiracy theory that I subscribe to that clearly shows that United would be relegated and Spurs champions if VAR wasn't do biased..........

I'm done trying to explain this.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bagor

No. You clearly don't. Otherwise you wouldn't still be arguing the point and attempting to deflect by going off on a sideways tangent to what you said.



VAR is perfectly defensible on that call because VAR acted exactly the way it should. It alerted the referee to a handball that directly led to a goal that as per the rules deemed the goal to be disallowed.

As per the rules that is "seriously a handball". Whether or not it is accidental is irrelevant to the discussion. That you think it's not clearly demonstrates you don't.

"It is an offence if a player: after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
creates a goal-scoring opportunity"

So yes, VAR was perfectly defensible there and got the call perfectly right on what was "seriously a handball" as per the rules. I don't think anyone is in disagreement here that it is the rule that is the issue. But you seemed to take issue with your lack of understanding of it being pointed out.

This was a perfect example of VAR alerting the ref to an offence he had missed allowing him to reverse a goal to the correct call ....as per the rules of the game.

Slava: VAR is crap. That goal should never have been disallowed. It was never handball
Bagor: Umm, it was the correct call. VAR got it perfectly right.
Slava: Well no surprise there considering there is a conspiracy theory that I subscribe to that clearly shows that United would be relegated and Spurs champions if VAR wasn't do biased..........

I'm done trying to explain this.

It's just pointless trying to have a discussion with you. I mean sure, the handball you're talking called a goal back against Spurs, by why let that enter into things?

[Bagor]

Why let that enter into things? Because YOU brought it into things.

Slava: VAR is crap. That goal should never have been disallowed.
Bagor: Umm, it was the correct call. VAR got it perfectly right.
Slava:

Originally Posted by Slava

Weird that the most vocal supporter of VAR is a United supporter. Oh wait, no it’s not.

You get corrected, and flip that correction, and, as per usual you're off on your weird conspiracy theories.

Thoughts on Uniteds penalty on Sunday? Reinforces the conspiracy?

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Gods must bless us with a Spurs-United Europa League final with like 20 controversial handball/VAR decisions, just for the lols.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The Gods must bless us with a Spurs-United Europa League final with like 20 controversial handball/VAR decisions, just for the lols.

I mean you just know that game ends with either (A) a Fernandes penalty or (B) a Kane penalty. I think I'd have to find some betting action for that!

[Senator Clay Davis]

How that wasn't a penalty on Foden....oh yeah English refs are dog####, nevermind.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The Gods must bless us with a Spurs-United Europa League final with like 20 controversial handball/VAR decisions, just for the lols.

This is a strange subforum. The majority of the posters are spurs or manu fans. I see one Liverpool fan and a Southampton fan. And a wolves fan!

Where the chelsea / Arsenal fans at?

No one truly cheers for man city so that makes sense

[Arsenal14]

Arsenal fans have nothing to say right now. Laying low and avoiding the spotlight.

[nixon45]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Where the chelsea / Arsenal fans at?

Still here

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Cappy

This is a strange subforum. The majority of the posters are spurs or manu fans. I see one Liverpool fan and a Southampton fan. And a wolves fan!

Where the chelsea / Arsenal fans at?

No one truly cheers for man city so that makes sense

How you managed to count one Liverpool fan?
The lone City fan, has been banned from the forum.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

How you managed to count one Liverpool fan?
The lone City fan, has been banned from the forum.

To be fair he could be back under a different SN, he's been a few different names at this point.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

How you managed to count one Liverpool fan?
The lone City fan, has been banned from the forum.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

How you managed to count one Liverpool fan?
The lone City fan, has been banned from the forum.

I didnt actually count, just estimated.

[agulati]

Definitely still here. Good game by the gunners today albeit in the Europa league.

We should add a poll to see what the breakdown is.

[devo22]

thought they'd go down with him and try to get back up together (like Burnley/Dyche back then, or Norwich/Farke last season), but looks like there were a lot of arguments and fights between him and the board lately.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1370838496517234691

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by devo22

thought they'd go down with him and try to get back up together (like Burnley/Dyche back then, or Norwich/Farke last season), but looks like there were a lot of arguments and fights between him and the board lately.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1370838496517234691

There was a big Athletic write-up about it yesterday or the day before. Speaking of Burnley, looks like they are safe ( and Everton sucks). I kind of hope Newcastle has to drop...

[Slava]

Lamela with a rabona! What a goal!

[Senator Clay Davis]

This is like peak Arsenal, pretty much dominating the game and could easily have 3-4 goals, losing to an absolute worldie on the only attempt from Spurs.